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NKI 10-11-2004 03:19 PM

NKI's random Japan log!
 
Because I'll be in Tokyo for the next year or so, I'll put all my game-related notes here.


More arcade (Shinjuku) - Super Turbo
I'm no top player by any means, but even the "scrubs" at More give me trouble. I have seen a couple of faces I recognize, like Kurahashi (who has a pretty good Guile), but there is one particular guy who I have never seen before. He's pretty young to be playing ST, maybe early twenties, and he has a really solid Ryu. It seems like he may have just started playing ST, as there are some matches he doesn't know 100%, but he is a very safe player, and his execution is quite good. I have never been able to beat him once. :sad:

Daigo is there pretty much every time I go, but he's always playing CvS2 and nothing else. Sorry - I don't care for CvS2, so I never watch...


Alpha Station arcade (Shin Ookubo) - MvC2
First of all let me just say that playing Marvel is so much easier on Japanese sticks. So little effort needed to do complex motions, and mashing is so much easier on the fingers/hand.

Anyway...

I went there expecting to see only Mitsu, Takayuki, and maybe one or two other players who actually know what's up in Marvel, but to my surprise there were quite a few people who were pretty decent. Maybe about 5 or 6 other people who I didn't recognize who were pretty solid.

Takayuki was mopping up pretty well, even a couple of matches against Mitsu (who they all agree is Japan's best player). Mitsu still plays his team of IM/Storm/Cable, and he is a god damn cheap-ass. Pretty much one hit means peace out for your team. Apparently he's gotten bored with Iron Man's regular infinite, so he started doing super jumping infinites with him. Another person who I recognized was White, and his precision is impressive. He consistently does triangle-jumping infinites in matches, like Magneto's triangle jumping sj.D+Short->sj.RH, repeat. The Japanese also do a couple variations of Storm's triangle jumping infinites in matches as well.

They all have precision like robots, and it's not just with triangle jumping. They can do some slick Sentinel fast-fly/unfly/refly combos with no problem.

I'm not a Marvel expert, but overall it seems to me like Japan is getting really good at Marvel, and I'd be really interested to see Mitsu against Justin. Hopefully he'll be able to make it next year.

There is a tourney this Sunday at Alpha Station, so I'll update with that info next week.


Alpha Station arcade (Shin Ookubo) - Capcom Fighting Jam
I didn't actually get a chance to play it yet, but I watched some matches for a little while. Some random observations:
-Glad to see Zangief does hella damage. SPD is +30%, and FAB is +60%.
-Most supers do a lot of damage, upwards of 40%-50%.
-Jedah and Anakaris look like they could be cheap, as they have triangle jumps.
-The huge dinosaur (what's his name? Hauzor?) has a hit-box that is about 65% of the screen. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of characters have infinites against him.
-Nobody seems to ever play Warzard characters...

blazed 10-11-2004 03:32 PM

Nice log NKI, look forward to more entries. Thanks for letting us know the 411 in Japan. And some match videos of CFJ would be hot.

-BlazeD

KaiSingrz 10-11-2004 03:33 PM

really interesting. I'd really like more of these marvel players @ evo next year.

moop 10-11-2004 04:05 PM

kurahashi has god guile. And pretty good secondary characters too.

Muteki guile is also really good.

Murakumo 10-11-2004 05:15 PM

I couldn't play for shit on japanese controls when I was there... Issariya, another NW player, says the same thing.

Staggered buttons made the slide method for Magneto infinite a BITCH!!! (I've now switched to thumb method), and even getting pp or kk was sometimes kinda weird with the stagger when trying to go fast.
As for th sticks, it's not the design that bothered me, it was that they were all loose as all hell. Their springs had like NO resistance. Maybe it's me, but I don't like pulling the stick back through neutral when it should just be there when I let go. Maybe it's also because I've always played at tourneys and at home on a stiff spring. But... I will execute well on that goddammed stiff spring! (only semi-stiff spring I found the entire time, was for a T4 cabinet I found in a small arcade in Shizuoka)

lol... my $.02 ... didn't like the controls. I think I would've done better over there had I been able to ROM into reset instead of 0-1 rep into airdashing hk that doesn't get me anywhere. That and cancelled flight with the big fokking robot.

Played in Osaka... going back in a year, and will play in Tokyo, too.

=/

NKI 10-12-2004 06:02 PM

Murakumo - it has taken me about a year to get used to Japanese sticks, but now that I can actually use them, I think they are much better.

But yeah, when I first used them, I hated them.


-Nicholai!

J Blaze 10-12-2004 06:16 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Murakumo
As for th sticks, it's not the design that bothered me, it was that they were all loose as all hell. Their springs had like NO resistance. Maybe it's me, but I don't like pulling the stick back through neutral when it should just be there when I let go.


The problem with american sticks is too much resistance. It goes back to neutral, yeah, but it also jiggles 100000000 times. It's really annoying in a match.

Murakumo 10-12-2004 06:34 PM

Also for example, on CvS2 I could qcf,qcf to the left, but it was hard/slow to the right. Since my pointer and middle fingers could push it back from forward through neutral to down, the motion to the left was alright. Facing right, I could do it, but slower. going faster I often got d,d/f,f,d/f,d,d/f,f... which doesn't give super. It made things relying on the super cancelled fast, like the End to Rolento's custom (s.hp,xx,qcb,qcb+p) while facing left really hard... double quarter circle to the right... didit, but not on fast cancels.

AL the great 10-12-2004 06:35 PM

NKI:
how far is shinjuku from tokyo airport? i go every year stop by jap. for a few days on my way to my country in east asia and this year imma be with my girl this coming summer and she wanted to stop by for couple of days. i really wanted to go to capcom plaza and play for a day where good people are. anyways any info would be cool hope to see u guy next summer.

NKI 10-12-2004 07:00 PM

AL the great - I've never been to Tokyo airport, so I'm not exactly sure where in Tokyo it is, but by train Shinjuku is only about 15 or 20 minutes from downtown Tokyo. More is one of the best arcades, if not the best. It has excellent comp for CvS2, 3S, ST, and a couple other games, and everything is ¥50 (most places charge ¥100 per play, which is about $1).

But I wouldn't recommend going to any arcades straight from the airport - carrying all that luggage around is pretty hard, especially considering how cramped everything is in Japan.


-Nicholai!

AL the great 10-12-2004 07:05 PM

NKI:
lol of course i wouldn't lug all that stuff. all of the luggage will be sent straight to our hotel room heh. are you on aim alot? that way i could talk to u there when the time comes.

i've had to trade money there before too heh. i thought it it was like 136 yen to the dollar.
well see u then i guess.
-al

p.s. .....do you have a guide some where online explaining the glitches for donkey kong country? u copied my glitch on dk1 on the railroads after the checkpoint :d

NKI 10-12-2004 07:15 PM

I am almost never on AIM anymore, so e-mail is usually the best way to get a hold of me. Check your PMs.

Up until a little while ago, it was around ¥130/$1, but right now it's been steady at ¥109/$1. Makes converting so easy.

Unfortunately right now I haven't transcribed the DKC vid, but if/when I do, it will be here:
http://nki.combovideos.com

(In The Glitch Bible.)


-Nicholai!

Muskau 10-12-2004 07:45 PM

Man I love Japan Log threads, you should post all the interesting observations about japan, not just the games! Because, well... I'm bored outta my mind and Japan Logs hold my sanity in check.

AL the great 10-12-2004 07:51 PM

Nich:
aight cool i'll holla when it's time. oh yea the hotel we'll be staying in is hotel narita and it'll be the narita airport.

NKI 10-12-2004 07:59 PM

Muskau - I am going to put only game-related stuff here, but if you're interested in all my other adventures, check my profile for the URL.

AL the great - oh, Narita is actually about an hour and a half from Shinjuku... :confused:


-Nicholai!

AL the great 10-12-2004 08:05 PM

WOW that's far : / yea i just remembered we're gonna stay in narita.

Violent Requiem 10-12-2004 09:15 PM

NKI,

I live in Yokosuka. If you'd like to meet up this weekend and gets some games in, I'd appreciate it. It's always nice meeting players, since it costs a hefty little chunk of change to fly home.

-Rob

Ranma0005 10-12-2004 11:56 PM

Nick needs to hook people up with the random SF Porn

HaoGui 10-13-2004 12:07 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Murakumo - it has taken me about a year to get used to Japanese sticks, but now that I can actually use them, I think they are much better.

But yeah, when I first used them, I hated them.


-Nicholai!


My only complaint with them is the stools! They are way to short, especially if you are tall! And my arms are long, so I end up sitting on top of my foot to get everything out, which gets uncomfortable, especially if you're winning for a considerable amount of time. Guess I'll bring a pillow or something next time

NKI 10-13-2004 02:02 PM

Violent Requiem - I'll be at the MvC2 tourney this Sunday (the 17th). It's at Alpha Station in Shin Ookubo, and I'll be there around noon or so. If you need directions, just ask. It's quite easy to get there. I'm quite confident I'll be the only cracker there, so I should be easy to spot...

Ranma0005 - actually the video stores here have MASSIVE porn sections, so maybe I'll take a peek next time...

HaoGui - I agree that the stools are too short. :sad:


-Nicholai!

Hiko 10-13-2004 05:19 PM

What days do you usually go to more, I havent seen any top players there yet, but admittedly ive only been there a handful of times since Ive been here, Its kinda far, though the nearest good arcade(ace) is kinda far too...wish I lived in the city. I second the stools being short, my back hurts after playing for a while.
In relation to the shin okubo station, where is Alpha station? Ive never had the chance to go :(

ThyAllMighty 10-13-2004 05:31 PM

Sup NKI, are you the white guy or the guy in the glasses in your av? If so do you get the mad ladies cause I HEARDS they love the white meat. Take advantage of it man. Anyways, can you tape MvC2 please? I would really like to see Japanese marvel.

fubarduck 10-13-2004 06:08 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThyAllMighty
Sup NKI, are you the white guy or the guy in the glasses in your av? If so do you get the mad ladies cause I HEARDS they love the white meat. Take advantage of it man. Anyways, can you tape MvC2 please? I would really like to see Japanese marvel.

NKI is the white guy! The sexy aZn in glasses is Henry Cen.

Dear NKI: I will be moving to Machida for Study Abroad this April, so I plan on visiting Tokyo lots. Keep in touch and I will contact you when I am there, sir!

NKI 10-13-2004 06:45 PM

Hiko - I usually go to More on Friday night from about 8:00p - 10:00p or so, and then maybe once or twice during the week (usually Tuesday or Thursday night around the same time). I had to cut back though because I was spending a lot of money. (Losing almost every time you play can get expensive!) :sad:

ThyAllMighty - I am the white guy in my avatar, and yes the rumors are true. They may be a little bit exaggerated, but still pretty much true. Even when I'm just walking down the street, everybody stares at me. I keep thinking that my fly is down, or I have a huge piece of food stuck to my face or something...:confused:

Dear fubarduck: HOT. Check your PMs.


-Nicholai!

eKiN 10-13-2004 09:06 PM

nick, people stare at you whereever you go, its your raw sexual energy

Saotome Kaneda 10-14-2004 12:33 AM

You guys suck. Okinawa is where it's at.

Hiko 10-14-2004 03:47 PM

Quote:
I was spending a lot of money. (Losing almost every time you play can get expensive!)


Haha, I feel you on that, even when the games are 50 yen.

Quote:
You guys suck. Okinawa is where it's at.


hahahaha

NKI 10-14-2004 04:23 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by eKiN
nick, people stare at you whereever you go, its your raw sexual energy

<blush>

I heard a rumor that Papa eKiN is coming to Tokyo... :confused:


-Nicholai!

Saotome Kaneda 10-14-2004 05:19 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiko
hahahaha


It's TRUE! :sad: Okinawa's a great place for gaming! There's plenty of good comp here! </denial>

NKI 10-15-2004 01:52 PM

Alpha Station arcade (Shin Ookubo) - Capcom Fighting Jam
I played about 5 games last night, so here are some more random observations:

-Seems like the SF characters (Ryu, Guile, Gief, Vega) just get worked by Darkstalkers characters. SF characters have no dash and no effective way that I see to deal with the barrage of projectiles and triangle jumping that Darkstalkers characters have.
-How the hell do you throw in this game? I tried everything I could think of, but nothing worked. :confused: Maybe it's just that the throw range is really, really small? I dunno.
-My batting average for successfully performing an FAB with Gief (either connected or whiffed) is 0.000. Is it still 720+punch?
-Ticking seems to be a dead art. There seems to be a long period of time after block-stun is over where they still can't be thrown. Boooo...
-Parrying with 3S characters was really, really hard for me to do. Even things that should be easy, like a slow fireball, I could not parry more than 10% of the time. :confused:
-Guile's Sonic Boom is freaking WIDE. It's wider than Zangief is... :wow:
-I've never played Darkstalkers, so could somebody tell me...is Jedah's super unblockable? (The one where he takes you underground.) Do you just have to get out of the way?
-After getting knocked down, you lay there for a rather long time. Maybe there is some kind of quick-get-up that I'm not aware of.
-Jedah and Anakaris still seem good to me...
-Seems like Vega's Scissor Kick super catches you in the frame. (If you're not blocking at the time of activation, you can't block it.)

Saotome Kaneda 10-15-2004 02:23 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Alpha Station arcade (Shin Ookubo) - Capcom Fighting Jam
I played about 5 games last night, so here are some more random observations:

-Seems like the SF characters (Ryu, Guile, Gief, Vega) just get worked by Darkstalkers characters. SF characters have no dash and no effective way that I see to deal with the barrage of projectiles and triangle jumping that Darkstalkers characters have.
-How the hell do you throw in this game? I tried everything I could think of, but nothing worked. :confused: Maybe it's just that the throw range is really, really small? I dunno.
-My batting average for successfully performing an FAB with Gief (either connected or whiffed) is 0.000. Is it still 720+punch?
-Ticking seems to be a dead art. There seems to be a long period of time after block-stun is over where they still can't be thrown. Boooo...
-Parrying with 3S characters was really, really hard for me to do. Even things that should be easy, like a slow fireball, I could not parry more than 10% of the time. :confused:
-Guile's Sonic Boom is freaking WIDE. It's wider than Zangief is... :wow:
-I've never played Darkstalkers, so could somebody tell me...is Jedah's super unblockable? (The one where he takes you underground.) Do you just have to get out of the way?
-After getting knocked down, you lay there for a rather long time. Maybe there is some kind of quick-get-up that I'm not aware of.
-Jedah and Anakaris still seem good to me...
-Seems like Vega's Scissor Kick super catches you in the frame. (If you're not blocking at the time of activation, you can't block it.)


Throw range differs per char again, and it's SF3 style command(LP+LK, direction optional). Karin's throw range is utterly pathetic. I think their range actually is reflected by the animation for a change...

Jedah's ES is unblockable.

REALLY good DS players work over SF2 chars. But, they play more carefully when you get that meter, because all 4 SF2 chars has something that destroys air game.

I've noticed that FABs(or SPDs) don't come out if I start at R, and go clockwise to UB. I have to go all the way to up now to ensure it comes out. I guess the 270 is gone now...

Tick timing is so stupid hard that you have to go for pseudo-ticks now, like early Knee -> wait -> SPD. I can't do old school s.LK XX SPD anymore, hit OR miss...

SF2 chars have slow rising, and nothing else. Like I said in the CFJ thread, DS chars get free pursuits ALL THE TIME. Alpha chars need to input rolling a bit before they fall, SF3 chars do Quick Standing like CvS2's Quick Standing. I dunno the specs on Warzard and DS chars. It's hit or miss with them....

HaoGui 10-15-2004 02:51 PM

[QUOTE=Saotome Kaneda]Throw range differs per char again, and it's SF3 style command(LP+LK, direction optional). Karin's throw range is utterly pathetic. I think their range actually is reflected by the animation for a change...
QUOTE]

have you tried any Kara throws with people yet? We got command throws again :karate:

Saotome Kaneda 10-15-2004 02:59 PM

I can't Kara-anything worth a damn. I just spin the stick and wait for them to screw up their timing.

There's nothing more satisfying than Jedah doing Dash chain rushdown, missing the first ground attack and getting SPDed for his trouble. Each time you're pretty much forced to taunt him for his foolishness.

player 10-15-2004 03:10 PM

hey nick. i hope you are having a blast at japan. bring me back something. ^^

NKI 10-16-2004 12:19 PM

The ST comp at More was kind of weak last night, so nothing much to report. (You know something is wrong when I can get a double-digit streak.) :confused:

I talked with Chikyuu, and he agrees that Darkstalkers characters are pretty good in CFJ, and that SF characters are rather weak.

Last night I actually watched a few games of CvS2 (gasp!) because Dan managed to get a 35-streak. Getting a streak that big at More on a Friday night is pretty hard to do. Dan usually plays Ryu/Ken/Sagat, but he was playing Guile/Ken/Sagat last night, and he was cheaping it up!

The last game of his streak was pretty good. He had his first two characters OCVed by a Hibiki, but then Dan OCVed the next two characters with Sagat. It was a pretty close match, and Dan probably could have won it, but he missed a clutch super which may have cost him the match.

player - what do you want me to bring back for you? How about a wife?

MvC2 tourney tomorrow! Gotta go practice up.
Predictions:
1st - Mitsu
2nd - Takayuki
3rd - ???

At Alpha Station, they have a cabinet linked to a TV/VCR, so I'm assuming that they will be taping the tourney.


-Nicholai!

Vigorous 10-16-2004 04:29 PM

I miss our late night talks.
<3

beelzebubble 10-16-2004 09:09 PM

doesnt look like anyone is in osaka, if they come down this way, pass through or whatever then let me know, id be glad to meetup or show around monte carlo. im down for kof, cfj, samsho, alpha 3, maybe even some sf3.

lots of good sf3, cfj, neowave, vf4 ft, tekken 4, kof2k2, gg comp as well as some high level mvc2, ds, etc stuff going on.

Saotome Kaneda 10-17-2004 02:34 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by beelzebubble
doesnt look like anyone is in osaka, if they come down this way, pass through or whatever then let me know, id be glad to meetup or show around monte carlo. im down for kof, cfj, samsho, alpha 3, maybe even some sf3.

lots of good sf3, cfj, neowave, vf4 ft, tekken 4, kof2k2, gg comp as well as some high level mvc2, ds, etc stuff going on.


I might hit up Osaka early next year, I've done Tokyo enough times already. =p I'll keep you in mind if I go through with it.

NKI 10-18-2004 09:21 PM

Alpha Station arcade (Shin Ookubo) - MvC2 tourney

Sixteen entrants, all of whom were at least decent. Mitsu took it all home, as expected. Takayuki and Mitsu had to play really early (second round, I think), and because Japanese tourneys are single-elimination, that was peace out for Takayuki. :sad:

I really suck at Marvel, so I got peaced out first round, but the guy I had to face turned out to be the guy who got second place, so I only cried for about 5 minutes.

Some highlights from before, during, and after the tourney:
-Phantom, Japan's best Blackheart player, using BH/Doom/Sonson and regulating fools like it was 2001.

-Mitsu, the Justin Wong of Japan, tearing through everyone he faced.

-Some guy playing a Magneto/IM/Ruby Heart team getting nearly a 20-streak. He had some crazy Meikyousisui-style combos going. During some matches, it literally felt like I was watching a combo vid because the combo seemed like it would never end (but it wasn't infinite, either). One of the strangest things he did was some kind of a Magneto/Ruby combo where he would DHC from Shockwave to Ruby's fireball super (dunno the name). Because she travels a lot faster than the Shockwave, the combo ends, and as you're getting up, Ruby is standing over you with a Shockwave coming from behind her, so almost any move you throw out will get beaten, and she is free to do whatever she wants.

-The ability of numerous Japanese people NOT using the switch trick to beat my switch-trick moves. For example, my switch-trick Magneto cr.Short and Storm cr.Jab getting beaten cleanly by IM's st.RH (which then lead to infinite to death, then guard break, etc).

-Mitsu's ability to touch you once with IM and kill two characters seemingly for free. The only thing that prevents the third character from certain death is dizzies, which is why he kills the second character with Proton Cannon xx Hail Storm.

-Watching an MSP player get a legit perfect on somebody. He had some good resets, such as ROM infinite, walk under, backwards cr.Short->cr.Foward, Psylocke. It may be simply because I'm not that good at Marvel, but I had never seen that before. I am guessing that it would have to be blocked as a cross-up, but I am not sure...it was scary to watch.

-Mitsu's Cable. The only other one I have seen that impressed me as much is Row's. The thing that I liked the most was this combo:
st.Fierce x4 and Storm Alpha assist, grenade, Typhoon hits, grenade hits as he dashes and does j.RH, st.Short->st.Forward->st.Fierce (one hit) xx tag out to IM, infinite to your death
That's a Cable st.Fierce from full screen that does 100% using no meter...:confused:

-Wacky characters like Sabretooth, Omega Red, Megaman, and even some hot Dhalsim action. The Dhalsim player impressed me the most. He plays him just like Storm in that he can either rush you down, or run away if he's ahead. After Yoga Noogie in the corner (which by itself can do insane amounts of damage), RH knee xx Yoga Breath (3 hits) xx Yoga Inferno xx Hail Storm is pretty much your death. The best thing about Dhalsim is that he can hit you with triangle jumps from over half-screen away (because of his limbs). He also did a surprising amount of flying when he played Dhalsim, but it seemed to work out OK for him...

As far as footage, they did put a tape in the VCR, but I didn't see anybody ever hit record...maybe I just missed it... :confused:

/me shrugs

As far as Capcom Fighting Jam, I watched Chikyuu play about a dozen matches or so. He of course has to play a weirdo character (Nool, the giant squid), and he also plays Jedah (probably Anakaris too, but he didn't play him yesterday). Nool seems sluggish, but effective. He has a solid anti-air (looked like a straight up j.Fierce or j.RH), and full-screen moves (the tentacles). His tentacles super seems totally safe when blocked, and Chikyuu would mash it for over 50% if it hit. The game is still young though, so who knows...

Tuna - I miss you, too!


-Nicholai!

KaiSingrz 10-19-2004 02:52 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Alpha Station arcade (Shin Ookubo) - MvC2 tourney

-The ability of numerous Japanese people NOT using the switch trick to beat my switch-trick moves. For example, my switch-trick Magneto cr.Short and Storm cr.Jab getting beaten cleanly by IM's st.RH (which then lead to infinite to death, then guard break, etc).

-Nicholai!

the reason for that is that iron man's standing roundhouse raises his hit box off the ground. he can't be swept or hit low when he does that. Had you gone for a standing lk with magneto, you probably would've won. With storm though, yeah, it's possible. I believe IM's launcher is faster anyway. Great read Nicholai! When's the next marvel tourney?

Geronimo 10-19-2004 02:59 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by KaiSingrz
the reason for that is that iron man's standing roundhouse raises his hit box off the ground. he can't be swept or hit low when he does that. Had you gone for a standing lk with magneto, you probably would've won. With storm though, yeah, it's possible. I believe IM's launcher is faster anyway. Great read Nicholai! When's the next marvel tourney?


'Sup Eliver? :tup:

Anyways, to add to your point. If you do IM's c.hk w/ d/f, so your input is d/f+hk, it comes out faster, I think 1F (Which is equal to Magneto's c.lk and Storm's c.lp IIRC).


Hope that helps.

- Geronimo

P.S. Good read NKI, thanks for the updates. But I'm curious and if you don't mind me asking, how does Mitsu's IM sj. INF go?

RedTide 10-19-2004 03:13 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Geronimo

P.S. Good read NKI, thanks for the updates. But I'm curious and if you don't mind me asking, how does Mitsu's IM sj. INF go?


I think it's probably the one in Julius Jackson's combo vid. I can't remember the sequence but IIRC he does it with both War Machine and IM.

Geronimo 10-19-2004 03:26 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by RedTide
I think it's probably the one in Julius Jackson's combo vid. I can't remember the sequence but IIRC he does it with both War Machine and IM.


Yeah, but IIRC, that was also Sentinel-only. In which case, I already know how that goes.

Well, there's another one I remember, from JustinW's old ass combo video. But I don't remember if that worked mid-screen.


- Geronimo

eidrian 10-19-2004 03:36 AM

NKIes!! I hope you're enjoying your stay at Japan!! I wish you the best and remember, i'll be waiting for thE SEX.

<3 XOXO <3
eidrian

popoblo 10-19-2004 03:37 AM

great read, please keep this log going:tup:. and more cvs2 input here or there for all 4 of us who still enjoy the game=)

KaiSingrz 10-19-2004 04:04 AM

actually, storm's is only 3 frames, which is average compared to most other startups.

NKI 10-19-2004 02:59 PM

KaiSingrz - I figured it had something to do with his hit-box, but I wasn't sure. Thanks for the info! Dunno when the next tourney is, but they (the Japanese Marvel crew) usually play on Sundays.

Geronimo - even though the IM super jumping infinite was being done to me :confused: I can't remember exactly what it was. It was done against middle-weight characters (Mags and Storm). If I'm not mistaken, it was only three hits per repitition. Maybe something like sj.Jab (or sj.Short?) xx AD down-towards sj.Jab->sj.U+Fierce?
Also, he does a variation of the normal jumping infinite that I have never seen before. He would alternate the usual [j.Jab->j.Strong->j.Forward->j.U+Fierce] with [j.Short->j.Forward->j.U+Fierce]. Being that it is less hits (and less meter), I dunno why he does that. Maybe it dizzies less quickly?
No matter which infinite he's doing, he is constantly calling Storm to build extra meter. Pretty much every match he plays, he has 5 levels at least once, sometimes twice. (Keep in mind that Cable is his third character...)

eidrian - <3

popoblo - OK, I'll watch Dan or Daigo for a few matches next time I'm at More. <grumble grumble>


-Nicholai!
P.S.: Where can I get my hands on Marvel frame data? I'd love to check that out...

Thongboy Bebop 10-19-2004 03:16 PM

Seriously, please do me a huge favour. Ask (or MAKE, whatever) Chikyuu watch my Twelve video (Thong of Rage). Please. I just want to know if he approves. I might cry, but I need to know either way.

N - Thanks!

NKI 10-19-2004 03:46 PM

I will let you know what he thinks after he gets back with me.


-Nicholai!

Thongboy Bebop 10-19-2004 03:48 PM

Thank. You. So. Much.

N

Muskau 10-19-2004 04:13 PM

heehee :)

Thongboy Bebop 10-19-2004 04:21 PM

I'm so excited.

N

Korngo 10-19-2004 06:54 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Geronimo
P.S. Good read NKI, thanks for the updates. But I'm curious and if you don't mind me asking, how does Mitsu's IM sj. INF go?


IM has hella air-dash infs. You can do like sj.lp, dash forward, lp, u+hp repeat. (doing jap set-up over, and over). Or even sj.lk, lk, dash forward lp, lp, u+hp repeat. I don't know if this is exacly what you wanted to know 'cause this stuff is hella old. =]

Muskau 10-19-2004 09:29 PM

What does IM have that WM doesn't?

shortshortsuper 10-19-2004 10:34 PM

NKI: about that frame data...go here:
http://www.vidop.com/features/mvc2/mvc2-joo.php

that's only partially complete I hear tho...
here's the main page...
http://www.geocities.co.jp/Playtown-Domino/3677/

and then just go under data for the much more "completer" version of the data under data (well.."day-tuh") or just go here for the page off of that
http://www.geocities.co.jp/Playtown...7/MvsC2data.htm

hell iono what I'm talking about
I hope you can read Japanese proficiently...those fighting game terms are killer

beelzebubble 10-19-2004 11:16 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saotome Kaneda
I might hit up Osaka early next year, I've done Tokyo enough times already. =p I'll keep you in mind if I go through with it.


sounds good.

popoblo 10-20-2004 01:16 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
popoblo - OK, I'll watch Dan or Daigo for a few matches next time I'm at More. <grumble grumble>


you're a good man, and i really do appreciate it.

thanks again

Apoc 10-20-2004 01:26 AM

NKI=Prince among men!!!

Seriously, who doesn't love NKI? heheh

Apoc.

Mike_Z 10-20-2004 02:55 AM

I also pledge my allegiance to NKI. Though I do wish he'd email once in a while, I had some stuff to ask about CFJ specifics.

Mike Z

JumpsuitJesse 10-20-2004 03:33 AM

Hey NKI!

I wanna go to Japan. Where are you staying?? I can pay cash if you can house me for a week!

Hope you are having fun over there :clap:

ThyAllMighty 10-20-2004 03:49 AM

Why ask when you can play it Mike Zozzle. CFE is at Super Arcade. The same arcade under evolution.

DigitalGypsy 10-20-2004 04:53 AM

Much love for NKI from MN. Keep up the posts. Too GUUD.

MechZZ 10-20-2004 10:01 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskau
What does IM have that WM doesn't?


better super

Mike_Z 10-20-2004 10:23 AM

Great, so now I'm going to end up driving an hour to play CFE. I'm actually not sure it's worth that. :^)

Harro, NKI!
Mike Z

NKI 10-20-2004 01:22 PM

shortshortsuper - cool beans. Thanks for the links.

Shoutouts to Apoc and DigitalGypsy!

Mike Z - check your e-mail, fool!

Jesse - I'm staying in Hakusan, which is decently close to pretty much anywhere you could want to go in Tokyo. If you come visit, you can stay with me, just let me know well in advance. I should warn you though, my place is SMALL. The entire apartment (kitchen, bathroom, dining room/bedroom) is about the size of your living room. :confused:


-Nicholai!

Saotome Kaneda 10-20-2004 01:47 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike_Z
I also pledge my allegiance to NKI. Though I do wish he'd email once in a while, I had some stuff to ask about CFJ specifics.

Mike Z


NO Mike, you can NOT break the game yet. >/ It may seem tempting, but NO. *lol*

DigitalGypsy 10-21-2004 11:44 PM

Break it Mike!

NKI 10-23-2004 01:51 PM

Not much to report as last night was rather dry.

Went to More and played some ST; got destroyed by a Balrog (claw) player. I think my record against him was 0-15 for the night. Ouch.

Daigo is almost always there on Fridays, but he was not there last night for whatever reason. Dan was there all night, but he didn't play a single game. Some guy with a Morrigan team had a about a ten-streak going. He did all the juicy over-heads and cross-up over-heads on wake up, and he made it look like it was unblockable. Reminded me of the stylings of Buktizzle.

Also, they had some Double Dragon fighting game made by Technos that I didn't even know existed. The reason I noticed it is because the intro for the game actually contains really grainy FMV from the Double Dragon movie. Peep:
http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php...=D&game_id=7620

Going back to More again tonight; hopefully more people will be playing.


-Nicholai!

Saotome Kaneda 10-23-2004 02:27 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Went to More and played some ST; got destroyed by a Balrog (claw) player. I think my record against him was 0-15 for the night. Ouch.

Also, they had some Double Dragon fighting game made by Technos that I didn't even know existed. The reason I noticed it is because the intro for the game actually contains really grainy FMV from the Double Dragon movie. Peep:
http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php...=D&game_id=7620


Yeah, there's some beefy Balrog players down here in Oki too, too bad he gan't beat scrubby O.Sagat and CE Vega(dictator).

I'm assuming that's the Neo Double Dragon game. IIRC(I have teh ROM somewhere) they even use the theme from the movie. And yes, it's interesting seeing it in action, makes you wonder what ROTD would've been like if they had the license...=/

No further CFJ logs? If you don't wanna put it up here, at least beast up the CFJ thread. =p

HaoGui 10-23-2004 02:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Not much to report as last night was rather dry.

Went to More and played some ST; got destroyed by a Balrog (claw) player. I think my record against him was 0-15 for the night. Ouch.

Daigo is almost always there on Fridays, but he was not there last night for whatever reason. Dan was there all night, but he didn't play a single game. Some guy with a Morrigan team had a about a ten-streak going. He did all the juicy over-heads and cross-up over-heads on wake up, and he made it look like it was unblockable. Reminded me of the stylings of Buktizzle.

Also, they had some Double Dragon fighting game made by Technos that I didn't even know existed. The reason I noticed it is because the intro for the game actually contains really grainy FMV from the Double Dragon movie. Peep:
http://www.klov.com/game_detail.php...=D&game_id=7620

Going back to More again tonight; hopefully more people will be playing.


-Nicholai!


lol...that Double Dragon is one of the most broken fighting games in history...everyone is stupid cheap!

Muskau 10-23-2004 04:28 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by HaoGui
lol...that Double Dragon is one of the most broken fighting games in history...everyone is stupid cheap!


sounds balanced.

popo187 10-24-2004 08:07 AM

I enjoy reading the non-CFJ stuff. :p

psycho_crusher 10-24-2004 10:50 AM

If you get a chance play Double Dragon, go for it! And make sure you pick Dalton!

Issariya 10-25-2004 06:38 PM

i have visited Alpha Station around Mid July 04 and i gotta say that it was one of the best mvc2 experience. The mvc2 tourney at alpha station which i entered was like Evolution for tokyo (mvc2). most of the top mvc2 players came; mitsu, takayuki, sunahebi, white, phantom, tuntun, esper, marakuKY, hayato, and tons more came. the shittiest thing is the difference between our rule and their rule. we do best 2-3 doubble elimination but alpha station makes each pool with 5 player in it. 2 people with the best result would qualify to the top 8 and each pool is 1 game decided. each pool is randomly selected ;as a result; there was one pool which has too many good players in it. (mitsu, sunahebi, phantom, white, and one american player) Mitsu and sunahebi was the qualifier of that pool.
i think the result was
1st mitsu
2nd sunahebi
3rd marakuKY
4th hayato
5th takayuki, me, tuntun, esper (yes! 5 people ranked in 5th place)

i agree with NKI. one hit from mitsu is good game and his cable combo can link into Iron infinite. mitsu is more like a counter player; he would switch his order to have advantage against certain chracters. for example, he would start cable against team scrub or santrax and start IM against magnus. i gotta say that it's almost impossible to get through mitsu's cable defense which reminds me of randy lew. yes! mitsu is like japanese justin wong and has randy lew's cable. his style is more like super agressive and never give up. some japanese players say that it's not impossible for mitsu to come back with pixel Ironman and he actually pull the shit on me.
here are some of his random team
storm/sent/cable
strider/cable/sent
i have never seen mitsu play magnus before so i doubt we need to worry about his mag.

i would say that mitsu is about Rowtron's level in terms of execution and tactic ;however, mitsu is still beatable but he can beat anyone. i definately agree that mitsu is #1 in japan.

NKI 10-25-2004 09:47 PM

More arcade (Shinjuku) - Super Turbo

Sorry - no CvS2 to report because once again, Daigo was a no-show, and Dan was there but didn't play a single game. I wonder what's going on because those two are usually always playing...

Now that I've been playing ST here in Japan for about a month or so, I have noticed one particular difference from American play. In Japan, it is almost never worth it to go for a meaty. This is becaues almost all players, regardless of skill level, can execute reversals nearly 100% of the time. Not only CAN they do it, they LOVE to do it. Probably the most successful strat I have employed here is walk up to downed opponent, fake a meaty, then back off, let him whiff reversal, counter. Everyone here goes for the reversal at least the first couple of times, then once they whiff enough, they stop doing reversals, and that's when I get to do meaties again.

For some reason, the Ryus and Vegas (Balrogs) here are giving me the most trouble, whereas in America I usually don't mind those matches too much.

Now it seems that nobody really cares whether they are playing AE or ST - they just want to play. The most popular characters in AE are still by far CE Bison (Vega) and Guile. I am also dumbfounded at the complete lack of HF Gief play, despite CE Gief and ST Gief getting some use. I may be missing something, but isn't HF Gief better than all the other versions...a lot better?

At least when playing at More, I prefer ST over AE for one additional reason now. At More, the volume for AE is relatively low. Because I play Chun, I have to use original ST Chun (hold start while choosing ST), but it is so loud in More, and AE is so quiet that I can't hear the chime to confirm which Chun I got. This is a big problem because when I attempt a stored super with Chun and don't get it, is it because I messed up the super, or because I actually got AE ST Chun? Should I try another stored super, or will I end up eating another fireball in the face? :confused:

The other thing about Japanese players is that for the most part, they play one character and one character ONLY. I have started doing this too, as I used to play Chun and Balrog (Bison) but now only play Chun. I chose Chun not because I think she is better (Rog is definitely better), but because I think she is completely under-rated, and a lot of people don't know how to play against her. Americans play with the mentality that you need to know at least two characters (three would be better) in case you get counter-charactered. Japanese play with the mentality that you need to know your one character's match-ups like the back of your hand, that way the supposed wash-up matches are actually a lot closer.

I find this to actually be plausible. I've seen a lot of matches won that I used to considered free wins for the "counter" character. For example, there is a certain Zangief player who just tears through Dhalsims, not because it's an easy match for Gief, and not because the Gief player is that much better than the Sims, but because the Gief player knows EXACTLY how to play against Sim. He knows what normals of Gief's will beat Sim's limbs clean (from nearly full-stage), and all the other tricks that you have to know in order to win against Sim with Gief (such as far st.Jab, which Sim can not duck under, and which guarantees a free SPD unless Sim teleports, which usually guarantees Gief gets free damage of some kind, depending on the positioning on the stage).

Random note on Capcom Fighting Jam: Rose's air throw does quite a considerable amount...you can mash it for around 20% or more. Thank the lord some throws do damage again...


-Nicholai!

Buktooth 10-26-2004 12:34 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
I am also dumbfounded at the complete lack of HF Gief play, despite CE Gief and ST Gief getting some use. I may be missing something, but isn't HF Gief better than all the other versions...a lot better?

I asked Kuni about that while I was there, and the main reason he gave me was that ST Gief is way better against Sagat than HF Gief. ST Gief can go through both high and low tigers with either lariat while HF Gief has to guess the right one. I think he had other reasons too but I can't really remember them now. -_-

Saotome Kaneda 10-26-2004 01:51 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buktooth
I asked Kuni about that while I was there, and the main reason he gave me was that ST Gief is way better against Sagat than HF Gief. ST Gief can go through both high and low tigers with either lariat while HF Gief has to guess the right one. I think he had other reasons too but I can't really remember them now. -_-


That's really the biggest reason. I can imagine Green Hand having a good deal to do with the difference too. I dunno, I just scrub it up with WW Gief in Oki, no horribly good comp here in HSF...

Meaty s.LK XX SPD >>> WW Guile & People with no reversal game

NKI 10-29-2004 02:32 PM

Try Amusement Tower (Akihabara) - misc. games
Try is one of those places that is tucked away in the bowels of nowhere (literally in a back alley of Akihabara), but it has quite possibly the best deal in all of Tokyo as far as games go. On Friday nights, from 6:00p - 11:00p, for 500 yen (a little less than $5), they'll put Anniversary Edition on freeplay. They also do that for some other games that no one cares about like SCII and some SNK game, but AE is where it's at. Considering that the games are usually 100 yen a pop, they could even charge 2000 yen, and it would still be worth it for FIVE HOURS of free play.

Also, they have some of the craziest games I have ever seen before, such as THIS beauty. My jaw dropped when I saw just how fucking silly this game is. I will have to record the intro next time I go there, as it is a comedy gold-mine.

The best thing about Japanese arcades though, is that I don't even have to play to be entertained. When I went to Try, I didn't play a single game (because I am broke), but I watched the Gradius master play for over an hour without ever getting hit. Ridiculous...

Thongboy Bizzlebazzle - check your PMs!


-Nicholai!

Thongboy Bebop 10-29-2004 02:36 PM

Haha, I'm totally not sure what to make of it, because he seems like a really nice guy, and far too polite to say "Dude. That sucks ass." But you're still my hero!

N

Saotome Kaneda 10-29-2004 08:42 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Also, they have some of the craziest games I have ever seen before, such as THIS beauty. My jaw dropped when I saw just how fucking silly this game is. I will have to record the intro next time I go there, as it is a comedy gold-mine.


Holy shit, I've heard rumors of that shit...Damn NKI, you're making me wanna go UA up to Tokyo right now. =p

beelzebubble 10-29-2004 09:17 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saotome Kaneda
Holy shit, I've heard rumors of that shit...Damn NKI, you're making me wanna go UA up to Tokyo right now. =p


i remember playing that game in malaysia, it played worse than it looks from memory.

Saotome Kaneda 10-29-2004 11:40 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by beelzebubble
i remember playing that game in malaysia, it played worse than it looks from memory.

If I do come up to see it, I won't be playing it for my sake. My old boy Sloth LOVED old, broken games. One time in CTF, we were playing SF1 and early 80s games(10 Yard Fight comes to mind) on top of the SFZ3 cab. Those were the days....

It's out of respect for him that I bear half of the shitty games from the past now. =/ Much like Mum-B's memory makes me play CFJ now.

NKI 10-30-2004 12:14 AM

Did I mention that they have Street Fighter 1 at Try Amusement Tower? Well they do.


-Nicholai!

skisonic 10-30-2004 12:20 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saotome Kaneda
If I do come up to see it, I won't be playing it for my sake. My old boy Sloth LOVED old, broken games. One time in CTF, we were playing SF1 and early 80s games(10 Yard Fight comes to mind) on top of the SFZ3 cab. Those were the days....

It's out of respect for him that I bear half of the shitty games from the past now. =/ Much like Mum-B's memory makes me play CFJ now.


good shit man, RIP.

Saotome Kaneda 10-30-2004 12:26 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Did I mention that they have Street Fighter 1 at Try Amusement Tower? Well they do.


-Nicholai!


You must die now.


=p UNBRIDLED HATRED FOR YOU

It's alright though, Okinawa has....


Umm...:confused:

Sabin 10-30-2004 01:53 AM

Sad games are great, don't hate. Besides, I'm always the best at shitty games. svc/mvc1/TMNT:TF gogogogo! :D DONT HATE!

sup nick, sounds like youre having a fun time in japan, even if youre broke. :P Well, it is Tokyo...after all. I might be heading to japan in january to see the gf, shes nowhere near tokyo though, but ill roll through tokyo anyway. if i do, i'll hit you up for sure. Oh, and your journal is entertaining, so keep updating when you can. :D

BTW, you don't seem to be playing CFJ much, do you? Or at least, you don't talk that much about the game..

Kaneda: sup, we still miss you, come back and save us from playing sad games. Fucking Derrick was at Ash'a house playing Ranma 1/2 Battle Renissance for PSX, I swear I wanted to break that disc in half, I know how you feel :badboy:

CF hasn't changed at all since you were last here, except for 2 things, we have KOF Neowave now (they just got it this week, but i havent been to cf to play it yet,) and the dual link vf4e cabinet is gone. :sad: We had VF4:FT with the card system and all inside CF for a day, until Sam got into a argument with the actual owner of the machine and made them take it out. Something about it not making enough money or something, even though hardcore VF devotees play that cabinet nonstop all weekend long. :lame:

Shag 10-30-2004 02:27 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabin
Kaneda: sup, we still miss you, come back and save us from playing sad games. Fucking Derrick was at Ash'a house playing Ranma 1/2 Battle Renissance for PSX, I swear I wanted to break that disc in half, I know how you feel :badboy:


Oh dear lord.:rofl: But oh man, I still miss Brian aka Sloth...

Quote:
and the dual link vf4e cabinet is gone. :sad: We had VF4:FT with the card system and all inside CF for a day, until Sam got into a argument with the actual owner of the machine and made them take it out. Something about it not making enough money or something, even though hardcore VF devotees play that cabinet nonstop all weekend long. :lame:


We moved VF4:FT to Gametime Nation on 12th St and 4th Ave. Now I'm torn between there and CF. :sad:

Keep up the log Nic. ;)

NKI 10-30-2004 03:57 PM

Fuuuuuurby - if you come to Japan, definitely look me up. I can even take you to an arcade with MvC1! Oh baby! Maybe then you and MT can play each other...

And yeah, I don't play CFJ much, simply because I don't play games much; I watch more than anything. At More, it's still 100 yen to play CFJ, so I never play when I go there, but it's only 50 yen at Alpha Station, so I play a couple games when I go there. CFJ seems really sluggish, though... :confused:


-Nicholai!
P.S.: You failed to mention that you were a top-player in CvS1! :tup:

Mouko 10-30-2004 04:51 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI

And yeah, I don't play CFJ much, simply because I don't play games much;


NKI doesn't play games. NKI doesn't do anything, just like at EVO.

what are you doing in japan anyway?

Cen 10-30-2004 10:51 PM

Don't be sad people, Tekken 5 will make up for the lost of VF4:FT. Plus, I never see people play VF4 at CF anyways besides that usual bunch.

NKI enjoying japan! I'm envious! Thats all I can say...

beppu 10-31-2004 01:15 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mouko
NKI doesn't play games. NKI doesn't do anything, just like at EVO.

what are you doing in japan anyway?


http://asciiker.kicks-ass.org/j-schoolgirls.jpg

:badboy:

(credit: (defunct) galsoops mag)

Saotome Kaneda 10-31-2004 01:55 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabin
Kaneda: sup, we still miss you, come back and save us from playing sad games. Fucking Derrick was at Ash'a house playing Ranma 1/2 Battle Renissance for PSX, I swear I wanted to break that disc in half, I know how you feel :badboy:

CF hasn't changed at all since you were last here, except for 2 things, we have KOF Neowave now (they just got it this week, but i havent been to cf to play it yet,) and the dual link vf4e cabinet is gone. :sad: We had VF4:FT with the card system and all inside CF for a day, until Sam got into a argument with the actual owner of the machine and made them take it out. Something about it not making enough money or something, even though hardcore VF devotees play that cabinet nonstop all weekend long. :lame:


Fucking drama. Someone needs to stab the fuck outta Sam, he's the sole reason why his arcade gets no money... >/ I heard Kuma's having even more problems over there, WTH is going on with him? Nigga trying to get on his feet and life keeps pulling the rug from under him....

Derrick managed to find Battle Reniassance?!? I'll fucking cut him for that game....I've looked far and wide over here and during my short visits to Tokyo and I could NEVER find it....How'd he manage to get a hold of it?

Neowave'll do good, wait till niggas start using Geese. =p

I think the next time I decide to do a Tokyo-NYC trip will be next summer, it all depends on if I re-enlist or not....At this point I have less to lose than I will gain, especially after hearing that my Ma gotta move out the house. My shit's falling down, the back wall of the house is bending away from the rest of the house on the 2nd floor...And it affects our neighbors too...=/ If I re-up and get a signing bonus, I'll be using that to help mom pay for a new house, if not, I'll have to save up till I get out next Sept... Choices... =/

EVERDRED 10-31-2004 01:59 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cen
Don't be sad people, Tekken 5 will make up for the lost of VF4:FT. Plus, I never see people play VF4 at CF anyways besides that usual bunch.

NKI enjoying japan! I'm envious! Thats all I can say...


when is tekken 5 coming in again?

NKI 11-01-2004 03:22 PM

Mouko - try as I might, I can never be as good as you at doing nothing. :tup:

More arcade (Shinjuku) - Super Turbo/AE
The highlight of the night was a pretty good Bison (Vega) player whose name I don't know. Believe it or not, he actually made the Devil's Reverse (flash kick with punch) look like a good move, and he had a couple of pretty dirty tricks...

After knocking down the opponent, sometimes he would use the Devil's Reverse as a cross-up, and it was actually quite hard to tell which way to block, kind of like Vega's (Balrog's) wall dive. I had no idea that move's hitbox extends to BOTH sides (not just the side with his glowing hand sticking out).

After he threw the opponent into the corner, if they tech, he would do a meaty slide (cr.RH) as they land. Sometimes it crosses up and sometimes it doesn't. I couldn't tell if it depends on the character he does it to, or if it depends on the way he times it, but it is pretty juicy because even if you block correctly, he does it meaty enough so that he still has advantage.

After knocking down the opponent in the corner (with Scissor Kicks or what have you), he would do a floating j.Short (hit Short as soon as you hit up/towards). It is really strange because it looks like a cross-up (Bison/Vega is on the other side, in the corner), but after he lands, he is back on the original side (with the opponent still in the corner). I didn't have it done to me, so I have no idea which way to block that.

Also there was a Gief player there who was the master of using jumping straight up Fierce (the stomach crunch) as anti-air for the dizzy. He did it not just against jump-ins, but also if Ryu misses a DP, or if Honda tries a butt slam, or if Vega tries to go off the wall to Gief's side, etc. I have never seen so many fools get hit by that in my life.


Alpha Station (Shin Ookubo) - Capcom Fighting Jam
I actually went there to play Marvel, but it turned out that they were having a CFJ tourney that day, so I watched some of that. The guy who won it uses Mukuro, and he seemed to have no problem against the Jedahs (or anyone else, for that matter). Also, there was an Anakaris player there who was quite filthy. After seeing him in action, I think Anakaris is definitely the Magneto of CFJ.

Also, Vega's (Bison's) st.Short is REALLY fast in this game, and he can seemingly lock down characters with no good reversal.

After the tourney, I walked around Shin Ookubo for a little while just to familiarize myself with the area more. I stumbled across a tiny little arcade called Game Goose which is actually pretty good. They have the current issue of Arcadia available for reading, and they also have MvC2 on head-to-head cabinets (which is extremly rare in Tokyo). Several arcades have MvC2 on single cabs, but those are generally regarded as "one-player cabinets", despite actually having buttons/sticks for two players, so nobody uses those for competitive play. They also have several random other games such as KOF Neowave, CFJ, SvC (oh baby!!), and other SNK games that I don't care for. The best part about Game Goose is that all the games are 50 yen, where most arcades in Japan have it set at 100 yen. If Alpha Station weren't right down the street, I'm pretty sure everyone would play MvC2 at Game Goose.


-Nicholai!

Master Chibi 11-01-2004 03:41 PM

Thanks for the updates!

I know it might sound like a stupid request, but can you see if anyone is playing Melty Blood React somehow? Supposed to be in arcades, but might still just be in beta or that type of deal.

Also, no pictures? :D

CE-Guile 11-01-2004 04:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Mouko - try as I might, I can never be as good as you at doing nothing. :tup:

More arcade (Shinjuku) - Super Turbo/AE
The highlight of the night was a pretty good Bison (Vega) player whose name I don't know. Believe it or not, he actually made the Devil's Reverse (flash kick with punch) look like a good move, and he had a couple of pretty dirty tricks...

After knocking down the opponent, sometimes he would use the Devil's Reverse as a cross-up, and it was actually quite hard to tell which way to block, kind of like Vega's (Balrog's) wall dive. I had no idea that move's hitbox extends to BOTH sides (not just the side with his glowing hand sticking out).

After he threw the opponent into the corner, if they tech, he would do a meaty slide (cr.RH) as they land. Sometimes it crosses up and sometimes it doesn't. I couldn't tell if it depends on the character he does it to, or if it depends on the way he times it, but it is pretty juicy because even if you block correctly, he does it meaty enough so that he still has advantage.

After knocking down the opponent in the corner (with Scissor Kicks or what have you), he would do a floating j.Short (hit Short as soon as you hit up/towards). It is really strange because it looks like a cross-up (Bison/Vega is on the other side, in the corner), but after he lands, he is back on the original side (with the opponent still in the corner). I didn't have it done to me, so I have no idea which way to block that.

Also there was a Gief player there who was the master of using jumping straight up Fierce (the stomach crunch) as anti-air for the dizzy. He did it not just against jump-ins, but also if Ryu misses a DP, or if Honda tries a butt slam, or if Vega tries to go off the wall to Gief's side, etc. I have never seen so many fools get hit by that in my life.




-Nicholai!


Sup NKI, Glad to hear the is Comp on AE in Japan(zero comp over here since everyone thinks it's too broken).
:sad. If you get the chance to play CFJ again,can you see if Guile can do a J.Feirce, S.Feirce,Short blade kick?



Battosai

Saotome Kaneda 11-01-2004 08:12 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Also there was a Gief player there who was the master of using jumping straight up Fierce (the stomach crunch) as anti-air for the dizzy. He did it not just against jump-ins, but also if Ryu misses a DP, or if Honda tries a butt slam, or if Vega tries to go off the wall to Gief's side, etc. I have never seen so many fools get hit by that in my life.



Dammit, stop giving up the other half of my CFJ Gief strategy!

HaoGui 11-01-2004 10:50 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabin
Sad games are great, don't hate. Besides, I'm always the best at shitty games. svc/mvc1/TMNT:TF gogogogo! :D DONT HATE!

sup nick, sounds like youre having a fun time in japan, even if youre broke. :P Well, it is Tokyo...after all. I might be heading to japan in january to see the gf, shes nowhere near tokyo though, but ill roll through tokyo anyway. if i do, i'll hit you up for sure. Oh, and your journal is entertaining, so keep updating when you can. :D

BTW, you don't seem to be playing CFJ much, do you? Or at least, you don't talk that much about the game..

Kaneda: sup, we still miss you, come back and save us from playing sad games. Fucking Derrick was at Ash'a house playing Ranma 1/2 Battle Renissance for PSX, I swear I wanted to break that disc in half, I know how you feel :badboy:

CF hasn't changed at all since you were last here, except for 2 things, we have KOF Neowave now (they just got it this week, but i havent been to cf to play it yet,) and the dual link vf4e cabinet is gone. :sad: We had VF4:FT with the card system and all inside CF for a day, until Sam got into a argument with the actual owner of the machine and made them take it out. Something about it not making enough money or something, even though hardcore VF devotees play that cabinet nonstop all weekend long. :lame:


Yo Art how long you plan on being there? I might be coming there around that time with my wife and maybe T.Bear might go to. :tup: anyways I hope yall gonna make it for FR8 this year...it's in the works! :clap: We need to play za shitty games lol btw yall be on that FH Dynamite up there? That game is the shit, and Martial Master :wow:

JumpsuitJesse 11-13-2004 08:40 AM

NKI, you are going to be there for a good while right??

When is the best season to go?? I have some vacation time coming up and I can definitely go with the new money I am making :)

NKI 11-14-2004 01:57 AM

Yeah I'll be here for a while - until the end of July 2005. You should see about heading over for Super Battle Opera 3. I know Buktizzle and a few other heads will be trying to make it.


-Nicholai!

NKI 11-15-2004 04:16 PM

More Arcade (Shinjuku) - Super Turbo/AE

I saw probably the juiciest Dhalsim mix-up I have ever seen in my life. Whenever this guy had the opportunity (especially after a knock down or a noogie) he would do meaty RH drill which in itself is tricky (sometimes crosses up, sometimes hits low, etc). After that, if he thought you would just block, you get noogied, but if you try to stand up to reverse the noogie, you eat close cr.Forward (not the slide) xx super for about 60% damage. I saw him nail that combo at least 5 or 6 times on different people, and I never saw him mess it up. In case you don't know, I encourage you to try that combo, because it is not especially easy.

Aside from that guy, I continue to be dazzled by the Vega (Bison) I previously posted about. He is a freaking dirtball...:confused:


XSF with ozy and co.

I had the privilege of playing some XSF with Japan's finest last weekend, and it was quite an experience. The Japanese don't really seem to be too concerned with winning as much as with landing the biggest, flashiest, most eye-popping combo possible. For example, when they play Storm or Magneto, they rarely do supers. Instead they just do in-your-face rush down which, if you pay close attention to the life bars, doesn't do much damage at all because it's mostly just Jabs and Shorts. Even so, it is still really fun to play with them.

I got to play against a guy who I can say with utter confidence has the best Chun Li I have ever seen, hands down. Instead of [build a level, whore out cr.Forward, if hit, super] xN, he would just rush you down so hard you don't know what to do, then once he connects with a hit, infinite you to death, guard break next character, infinite to death. If you've never played against Chun Li rush down, let me tell you it is just as bad as Storm or Magneto. There is no way you can see her super jumping overheads and react.

One particular match, I tried to open with a triangle jumping D+Short, so I was holding up at the start of the round, but he hit me with a cr.Jab (I think it was Jab) before I even left the ground, and then proceeded to infinite me to death. I think the combo was cr.Jab->cr.Forward->cr.Fierce xx sjad.Forward->sjad.Fierce, land, dash, repeat, then once he got to the corner, he did some wacky 6-jump combo that led to FS, then her normal jumping infinite. After that, he guard broke my next character, then infinite for the perfect. Even after Chun's infinite is up in the 50- and 60-hit range, each rep still does a lot of damage because of the j.Fierce->j.towards+RH.

I also got to witness several FSD combos in matches. One with Storm, one with Chun, and one with Rogue. Their technical ability really is on another level.

The first place we played was at an arcade, and when I was watching ozy play, I was really quite surprised because he seemed to be having trouble doing triangle jumping infinites. He Zangief was as solid as I remember seeing in the vids, but his Storm seemed kind of weak. I later found out why...

After dinner, we went back to ozy's pad and played some more, but this time on Sega Saturn. Let me tell you, ozy is a freaking monster with the pad. The reason he wasn't doing so hot at the arcade is because he doesn't really like sticks. He also told me (and I don't know if it's well known or not) that bug (of Skill Smith fame) and joo also do all of their combos on a pad. I found that rather surprising.

After playing for a while, he showed me a couple of hours of combo vids (VHS tapes) released by bas and co. I learned all sorts of crazy stuff, like comboing special throws (Cyclops' running clothesline, SPD, FAB, Rogue's Raging Demon, etc), and also he said that the reason they always use Classic Chun in stead of normal Chun is because her Fierce punch recovers more quickly, so you can combo more with it. (I think it was Fierce...not 100% sure.)

Also, he told me about a crazy glitch that lets you play as Apocalypse. I had never heard of it or seen it before, but he said that it is quite well-known in Japan. I didn't understand his explanation exactly (because my Japanese is too shitty), but it has something to do with playing 1P mode, getting to Apocalypse, then inserting a coin and hitting start at just the right time. In the vid it showed human-controled Apocalypse vs. computer controled Apocalypse both doing the big drill to each other, and the game was freaking out.

Because SOMEBODY had to request it (caugh caugh eidrian caugh), ozy taped our matches at his house with the intent to upload. I have no idea when or where he plans on doing that, but hopefully he will forget or lose the tape or something, because it's basically just me getting embarrassed every match. :confused:


-Nicholai!

blazed 11-15-2004 05:30 PM

Sup NKI. Can't wait to see some of those matches ;) lol

Maybe all the shit you've learned in Japan will influence you to make a NKI Vol 8 =]

NKI 11-15-2004 07:24 PM

No promises on Volume 8, but there may be a lil' bit of XSF footage from me in the distant future. Er...XSF footage other than ozy having his way with me...:confused:


-Nicholai!

blazed 11-16-2004 12:29 AM

NKI - ozy sent me a match this morning. Let me know if you want me to upload it.

NKI 11-16-2004 01:21 PM

In all seriousness, you can post whatever you want. I am used to getting embarrassed, for example, my entire tournament career. It's always fun to watch ozy play anyway.


-Nicholai!

blazed 11-16-2004 04:39 PM

match is up -> www.combovideos.com

ozys gief is a beast.

abs_maniac 11-18-2004 03:39 AM

I'm a total xmsf n00b, just curious, what's Chun Li's guard break? Also, what do people use for her air dash rushdown? SJ MK?

The posted match was sick btw!!! :tup:

Violent Requiem 11-18-2004 06:27 AM

Yawn. Damn, sorry Nick, I had to go on a deployment. You know how the navy ish goes. I hope Japan is treating you nice. Anyways, my kanajo lives in Ryugoku, up in Tokyo, so I'll try and swing up there. And yes, I know where Alpha Station is. I've been there a few times. I've been really horrible about playing any games lately though, trying to take care of real life ish. But I promised myself I'd play Tekken 5 with a friend of mine, so, maybe I can break back into things. You could school me at marvel or something.

Anyways, I'm back now or will be soon, so drop me a line at knottr@blue-ridge.navy.mil My girl wants to go to izakaya sometime soon, nothing like drinking and eatting with a bunch of people I don't understand. ^_^

-Rob

eidrian 11-18-2004 01:58 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Because SOMEBODY had to request it (caugh caugh eidrian caugh), ozy taped our matches at his house with the intent to upload. I have no idea when or where he plans on doing that, but hopefully he will forget or lose the tape or something, because it's basically just me getting embarrassed every match. :confused:


-Nicholai!


You know i love you! But you getting owned is what i love more!

:D :D :D

XOXO

Saotome Kaneda 11-18-2004 02:13 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Requiem
Anyways, my kanajo lives in Ryugoku, up in Tokyo,



<nitpick>
kanajo = 香奈女/かなじょ = incorrect
kanojo = 彼女/かのじょ = correct
</nitpick>

Just had to put that out there. =p

Hiko 11-18-2004 02:54 PM

Lol, nice av NKI...what the hell is the Japanese obsession with coffee anyways? Theres like 10 different types in every vending machine.. :confused:

shinobidj 11-18-2004 05:25 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saotome Kaneda
<nitpick>
kanajo = 香奈女/かなじょ = incorrect
kanojo = 彼女/かのじょ = correct
</nitpick>

Just had to put that out there. =p


i think this said it all, lol

Quote:
Originally Posted by Violent Requiem
My girl wants to go to izakaya sometime soon, nothing like drinking and eatting with a bunch of people I don't understand. ^_^

-Rob

fLoE 11-18-2004 06:46 PM

<3 nick.. i wanna come to japan! =(

Saotome Kaneda 11-18-2004 08:22 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by shinobidj
i think this said it all, lol

I noticed that too, like I said, just had to put that out there. =p I hate hearing Americanized Nihonglish about as much as I hate Japanese Engrish. However, Engrish makes me laugh while shaking my head in disgust.

T-Kimura 11-18-2004 08:45 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
XSF with ozy and co.

I had the privilege of playing some XSF with Tokyo's finest last weekend, and it was quite an experience. The Japanese don't really seem to be too concerned with winning as much as with landing the biggest, flashiest, most eye-popping combo possible. For example, when they play Storm or Magneto, they rarely do supers. Instead they just do in-your-face rush down which, if you pay close attention to the life bars, doesn't do much damage at all because it's mostly just Jabs and Shorts. Even so, it is still really fun to play with them.

I got to play against a guy who I can say with utter confidence has the best Chun Li I have ever seen, hands down. Instead of [build a level, whore out cr.Forward, if hit, super] xN, he would just rush you down so hard you don't know what to do, then once he connects with a hit, infinite you to death, guard break next character, infinite to death. If you've never played against Chun Li rush down, let me tell you it is just as bad as Storm or Magneto. There is no way you can see her super jumping overheads and react.

One particular match, I tried to open with a triangle jumping D+Short, so I was holding up at the start of the round, but he hit me with a cr.Jab (I think it was Jab) before I even left the ground, and then proceeded to infinite me to death. I think the combo was cr.Jab->cr.Forward->cr.Fierce xx sjad.Forward->sjad.Fierce, land, dash, repeat, then once he got to the corner, he did some wacky 6-jump combo that led to FS, then her normal jumping infinite. After that, he guard broke my next character, then infinite for the perfect. Even after Chun's infinite is up in the 50- and 60-hit range, each rep still does a lot of damage because of the j.Fierce->j.towards+RH.

I also got to witness several FSD combos in matches. One with Storm, one with Chun, and one with Rogue. Their technical ability really is on another level.

The first place we played was at an arcade, and when I was watching ozy play, I was really quite surprised because he seemed to be having trouble doing triangle jumping infinites. He Zangief was as solid as I remember seeing in the vids, but his Storm seemed kind of weak. I later found out why...

After dinner, we went back to ozy's pad and played some more, but this time on Sega Saturn. Let me tell you, ozy is a freaking monster with the pad. The reason he wasn't doing so hot at the arcade is because he doesn't really like sticks. He also told me (and I don't know if it's well known or not) that bug (of Skill Smith fame) and joo also do all of their combos on a pad. I found that rather surprising.

After playing for a while, he showed me a couple of hours of combo vids (VHS tapes) released by bas and co. I learned all sorts of crazy stuff, like comboing special throws (Cyclops' running clothesline, SPD, FAB, Rogue's Raging Demon, etc), and also he said that the reason they always use Classic Chun in stead of normal Chun is because her Fierce punch recovers more quickly, so you can combo more with it. (I think it was Fierce...not 100% sure.)

Also, he told me about a crazy glitch that lets you play as Apocalypse. I had never heard of it or seen it before, but he said that it is quite well-known in Japan. I didn't understand his explanation exactly (because my Japanese is too shitty), but it has something to do with playing 1P mode, getting to Apocalypse, then inserting a coin and hitting start at just the right time. In the vid it showed human-controled Apocalypse vs. computer controled Apocalypse both doing the big drill to each other, and the game was freaking out.

Because SOMEBODY had to request it (caugh caugh eidrian caugh), ozy taped our matches at his house with the intent to upload. I have no idea when or where he plans on doing that, but hopefully he will forget or lose the tape or something, because it's basically just me getting embarrassed every match. :confused:


-Nicholai!


sick read.. they're just on another level in xvsf. i never knew classic chun was any diff from normal O_o

NKI 11-19-2004 11:41 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by abs_maniac
I'm a total xmsf n00b, just curious, what's Chun Li's guard break? Also, what do people use for her air dash rushdown? SJ MK?

The posted match was sick btw!!! :tup:
If I remeber correctly, he used sjad.RH (the two-hit move) for the guard break, then land and launch with st.RH. For rush down, he used sjad.Forward->Fierce, I believe. It's hard for me to remember everything exactly because my brain was so dumbfounded at how good his Chun was. :confused:

One thing's for sure: the Japanese love coffee, and they have plenty of it.

<3 Mr. Weintrizzle.


-Nicholai!

abs_maniac 11-19-2004 01:30 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
If I remeber correctly, he used sjad.RH (the two-hit move) for the guard break, then land and launch with st.RH. For rush down, he used sjad.Forward->Fierce, I believe. It's hard for me to remember everything exactly because my brain was so dumbfounded at how good his Chun was. :confused:


Thanks a lot man! I guess I try Chun Li now!

Saotome Kaneda 11-19-2004 03:14 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
If I remeber correctly, he used sjad.RH (the two-hit move) for the guard break, then land and launch with st.RH. For rush down, he used sjad.Forward->Fierce, I believe. It's hard for me to remember everything exactly because my brain was so dumbfounded at how good his Chun was. :confused:

One thing's for sure: the Japanese love coffee, and they have plenty of it.

<3 Mr. Weintrizzle.


-Nicholai!

Not just coffee, but many forms of concentrated "energy" drinks, since they have this odd obsession with staying up all hours of the night to do any random task. It's funny, really.

popo187 11-20-2004 06:05 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saotome Kaneda
Not just coffee, but many forms of concentrated "energy" drinks, since they have this odd obsession with staying up all hours of the night to do any random task. It's funny, really.


lol explain?

Saotome Kaneda 11-20-2004 05:22 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by popo187
lol explain?

Give me a few hours and you'll have all the grainy cellphone pics you'll ever need. =p

NKI 11-29-2004 07:27 PM

More arcade (Shinjuku) - Super Turbo

My prayers have been answered! Ever since I started playing Chun, I have always struggled against jump-ins because Chun just doesn't have really good anti-air. Yesterday I watched a guy playing Chun, and he would do instant jump straight up+RH (the backflip kick), and it works like a charm. It will beat a whole lot of stuff cleanly, and even if it trades, they get knocked down. It's no Shoryuken, but it's a hell of a lot better than what I had been using (standing normals, jump straight up Short). Consider it XCOPIED.


-Nicholai!

Mouko 11-29-2004 07:52 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI

After playing for a while, he showed me a couple of hours of combo vids (VHS tapes) released by bas and co. I learned all sorts of crazy stuff, like comboing special throws (Cyclops' running clothesline, SPD, FAB, Rogue's Raging Demon, etc), and also he said that the reason they always use Classic Chun in stead of normal Chun is because her Fierce punch recovers more quickly, so you can combo more with it. (I think it was Fierce...not 100% sure.)

Also, he told me about a crazy glitch that lets you play as Apocalypse. I had never heard of it or seen it before, but he said that it is quite well-known in Japan. I didn't understand his explanation exactly (because my Japanese is too shitty), but it has something to do with playing 1P mode, getting to Apocalypse, then inserting a coin and hitting start at just the right time. In the vid it showed human-controled Apocalypse vs. computer controled Apocalypse both doing the big drill to each other, and the game was freaking out.

-Nicholai!


I had some vids from them a long time ago on VHS ( i had no idea where I got em actually ) but they've gotten lost. anyways, that explains a lot, I remember seeing a glitchy ass apocolypse, but I didn't understand what was going on. I had no idea it was the arcade version since I was playing it on console where apoc was selectable, so I just thought it was some weird apocolypse.

yes4me 11-29-2004 08:37 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
The other thing about Japanese players is that for the most part, they play one character and one character ONLY.

-Nicholai!


I think I should do the same with SF3. It is quite confusing when you know all the characters.

popo187 11-30-2004 06:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
More arcade (Shinjuku) - Super Turbo

My prayers have been answered! Ever since I started playing Chun, I have always struggled against jump-ins because Chun just doesn't have really good anti-air. Yesterday I watched a guy playing Chun, and he would do instant jump straight up+RH (the backflip kick), and it works like a charm. It will beat a whole lot of stuff cleanly, and even if it trades, they get knocked down. It's no Shoryuken, but it's a hell of a lot better than what I had been using (standing normals, jump straight up Short). Consider it XCOPIED.


-Nicholai!





oooo nice. got any more juicy xcopy info? :D

T-Kimura 11-30-2004 10:07 PM

nki, if you play xvsf again see if you can get some matches recorded.. always fun to watch jpn xvsf.

NKI 12-03-2004 05:32 PM

Actually ozy recorded about an hour's worth of matches when I was there, so I think he'll be uploading a few more in the future. Too bad they all feature me!

Next time I'll ask him to invite some other XSF players (like that God Chun I played against). That way you guys can see some real matches, rather than me just getting raped.


-Nicholai!

NKI 12-06-2004 06:21 PM

More arcade (Shinjuku) - Capcom Fighting Jam, ST

They finally made it a 50 yen game on the same floor with CvS2, GGXX, ST, etc, so it has been getting loads of play every time I go there. Seems to me that the game has turned into The Darkstalkers Show, starring Anakaris, Jedah, and Demitri, with special guest appearances by Mukuro. The notable exception is Mago, who plays (and wins with) Karin. Other than that, pretty much every other character just gets peaced out horribly.

A while back I posted about a young kid who was playing Ryu in ST (the kid who I couldn't beat to save my life). He was playing CFJ last weekend, and he racked up somewhere around a 15 streak with Demitri, using really effective turtling. I dunno, maybe he's one of Japan's top Darkstalkers players, or maybe he's just gifted.

I played about 10 games of ST this weekend, which is infinitely more than my usual average of zero. I played a lot against a WW Guile; why on earth anyone would use WW Guile rather than CE Guile is beyond me. Basically our matches would go like this: he completely dominates me the entire round for the first 80% of my life or so, perfecting me, but then he makes one small mistake (trades hits with my cr.RH and gets knocked over), then I proceed to do [meaty st.Jab, throw, repeat] to his death. Whee...
Does WW Guile really have anything that's worth giving up the ability to do reversals? I don't think he does, but what do I know...

Also, to my dismay, I found out that my new-found anti-air (Chun's jump straight up+RH) does have a few weaknesses. Random strange things like Cammy's j.RH will beat it cleanly (I think it was her j.RH). I can't say I'm totally shocked though, because Cammy has other random God-like properties (like her j.Strong).


-Nicholai!

ToXY 12-07-2004 12:16 AM

hey NKI, sorry this is a bit offtopic but i just watched ur game vs ozy and i was wondering how u did that magneto combo s.rk, sj.sk, sj,fk, fly down sj.sk, sj.fk, when i try it and dash down for the sj.sk, sj.fk i go down to fast and miss it, any tips?

popoblo 12-07-2004 12:26 AM

any new cvs2 hotness to report? even if daigo or dan didn't play, do you see anything different in terms of character selection (ie non A-sak/bison/blanka/hibiki/etc) or team structuring? any N-groove hotness or oddball stuff?

thanks in advance

Saotome Kaneda 12-07-2004 08:05 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Does WW Guile really have anything that's worth giving up the ability to do reversals? I don't think he does, but what do I know...


Less recovery on random shit, even more mindless ground game, retarded WW damage. Not entirely a bad exchange, as long as he doesn't get knocked down, as you've noticed.

NKI 12-07-2004 02:35 PM

If you play MvC2, you'll have to get used to the different timing for that infinite, because in XSF it is done a lot more slowly. Both on the way up and on the way down, the button presses are spaced out almost as much as possible, and also there is a considerable delay between the sj.Forward and the air dash down/towards. Also, make sure you're doing sj.down+Short on the way down.

Hope that helps...


-Nicholai!
P.S.: Sorry - haven't watched any CvS2 in a while, but I'll make an effort next time I'm there.

ToXY 12-07-2004 03:13 PM

thanks alot for your help, i think i been doin it to fast

NKI 12-15-2004 11:01 PM

After talking with ozy last night, it turns out that the beastly Chun I posted about a while back was actually huger. He's featured in several old XSF match vids with bas.

I asked ozy if he could get some footage of huger's Chun, and he said he'll see what he can do, so keep your fingers crossed!


-Nicholai!

T-Kimura 12-16-2004 07:04 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
After talking with ozy last night, it turns out that the beastly Chun I posted about a while back was actually huger. He's featured in several old XSF match vids with bas. It should be noted that the names are reversed in those vids. They're named "bas vs. huger", but actually huger is player 1 and bas is player 2. (In the first vid, huger is playing Rogue.)

I asked ozy if he could get some footage of huger's Chun, and he said he'll see what he can do, so keep your fingers crossed!


-Nicholai!


ah, i've seen lots of bas vs. huger videos.. and yeah, his chun is pretty sick

Dark Strider 12-16-2004 11:07 AM

Hey T-Kimura, do you have those matches by any chance? and if so, do you think you could send me them through AIM?

thanx man :tup:

TGC 12-16-2004 01:25 PM

dude this log is awesome. I wanna go visit japan so bad, cause the community here is really bad, and i wanna learn to play so bad, but don't ever have the chance to :(

NKI 12-24-2004 12:30 AM

Whoops - looks like I was wrong. I said on the previous page that in the bas vs. huger vids, the names should be switched, but I asked ozy, and he said that indeed the names are correct; bas is P1, and huger is P2.

Sorry about that.


-Nicholai!

popo187 12-24-2004 05:15 PM

what's new in the SF scene in japan lately? (been reading ur log btw)

BEWD 12-25-2004 01:24 AM

Well CFE has been getting alot of play and discussion,and I think the ECC is coming up soon.

Drunken Master 12-25-2004 06:28 AM

>crosses fingers and hopes that Jedah or Anakaris don't take 1st at ECC<

SilverGear 12-25-2004 11:36 AM

NKI,
Speaking of BAS, what's been up with him as of late? I haven't seen or heard anything from him in quite a while now and have been wondering what he's been up to. Now granted I haven't been spending too much time online to keep track, but I'd like to know what's up with him cause he's a hella cool guy.

Thanks in advance, have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. Take care.

NKI 12-25-2004 01:46 PM

I don't know anything about bas, really. In three months here, I haven't seen him a single time, but for all I know, he may not even live in Tokyo.


-Nicholai!

HaoGui 12-25-2004 07:59 PM

Here is BAS's website here:

http://www9.ocn.ne.jp/~bas/d44.htm

NKI 12-28-2004 07:33 PM

More arcade (Shinjuku) - Super Turbo, CFJ

Played some ST today, and I actually won about 50% of the time, which is considerably better than my usual average of 0%. Why did my Chun do so much better this time? Jump straight up RH as anti-air; no more getting owned by random jump ins. That, plus lots of D/F+RH shenanigans and st.Strong Tempest.

Daigo came out of whatever cave he's been living in for the last month or so, and he was actually playing CFJ. His team was Urien/Guile, but he never used Guile. He didn't really do anything incredibly impressive, aside from just straight up out-playing his opponents. He only got a three- or four-streak before getting peaced out by a Jedah.

Supposed to be hooking up with Takayuki and (hopefully) Mitsu to get some Marvel in in the near future...


-Nicholai!

popoblo 12-29-2004 05:14 AM

still no cvs2 news? thanks for the log, great stuff!

peace

Parrysome 12-29-2004 07:51 AM

What is the 3s following like in Japan? How about VF?

NKI 12-29-2004 10:31 AM

I did actually watch CvS2 for a while, but there was nothing spectacular to report. It may be because I don't care for the game, or it may be because it truly was nothing to get excited about.

Third Strike still has quite a following. There are always people playing at More, every time I go. Of course the most popular characters are Chun, Ken, and Yun, but I also see just about every other character used. In particular, there is a Dudley and a Hugo who do especially well. What's the deal with Hugo's move where he runs at you, then grabs you and uses his gut to squish you up against the wall? He hit so many people with that move...


-Nicholai!

Thongboy Bebop 12-29-2004 10:50 AM

Is everyone crazy impressed that you know me? Go on, you can say it.

N

popo187 12-29-2004 02:13 PM

NKI - because i think even if u react to it it still grabs u in certain situations? just a guess. :p

NKI 12-29-2004 05:37 PM

Thongboy Bizzle Bozzle: Yes, and sometimes I even embellish a little bit...tell 'em that you and I hang out all the time, and I have your phone number, and sometimes you spend the night at my house. Please don't tell them the truth...they would be crushed.
:sad:


-Nicholai!

HaoGui 12-29-2004 08:24 PM

Last time at was at More there was this guy using R2 Yun racking up wins with RC grab/palm mixup after Lvl 2 C-groove cancels. I usually see good Maki players A and K groove doing pretty good.

btw NKI there is a good Q player that gets mad wins everytime he's there, don't know if it's Kuroda or not but he's damn good.

Thongboy Bebop 12-30-2004 04:46 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Thongboy Bizzle Bozzle: Yes, and sometimes I even embellish a little bit...tell 'em that you and I hang out all the time, and I have your phone number, and sometimes you spend the night at my house. Please don't tell them the truth...they would be crushed.
:sad:


-Nicholai!

Haha, your secret's safe with me.

N

Parrysome 12-30-2004 05:50 AM

NKI,

Get a digital camera.

You been to any of the Arcades that are in VF4:Evolution? You know, all those crazy lookin Sega ones?

Saotome Kaneda 12-30-2004 05:58 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Parrysome
NKI,

Get a digital camera.

You been to any of the Arcades that are in VF4:Evolution? You know, all those crazy lookin Sega ones?

Bay Area is Okinawa's Club Sega Chatan.

NKI 12-30-2004 05:41 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Parrysome
Get a digital camera.

You been to any of the Arcades that are in VF4:Evolution? You know, all those crazy lookin Sega ones?
I have a digital camera. What do you want pictures of?

I've been to a couple of places that have a lot of VF comp (like Club Sega in Akihabara), but almost every arcade has at least one cab with VF4:FT (or at the very least, Evo). I only have a basic idea of how to play that game, so I don't really pay too much attention to it.


-Nicholai!

white ninja 12-30-2004 06:49 PM

huge hugs for nki ST info even if maybe 2 other people care on here. I'm in shanghai right now and it's a joke to play sf2 =/ nobody good.


-ninj

NKI 01-02-2005 10:34 PM

Alpha Station (Shin Ookubo) - MvC2

Today we had a Marvel gathering because there's a guy from Massachusetts here on vacation, and he wanted to play with Takayuki and Mitsu. I learned some new stuff, but one thing is painfully clear: Takayuki loves Burger King. Somebody buy that nigga a damn Whopper.

Random things I had never seen before today:

When doing the ROM infinite to a cornered opponent, if you land and do a dashing cr.Fierce, it will be a cross-up, even though the characters don't visually switch sides. For example, if Mags has the opponent in the left corner, Mags will visually stay on the right side, but the cr.Fierce will hit from the left side. I saw Takayuki do it to Sent and Storm, but I'm not sure if it works on everyone.

As Storm, Takayuki would do some kind of air combo in the corner that ended with him floating down after causing FS. I think it may have just been launch, sj.Fierce xx AD down/towards sj.Fierce, then float. As he's coming down, and the opponent is getting up, Takayuki would be holding towards the corner and do a falling sj.Short->sj.Fierce->sj.RH, which somehow would cross-up. Storm doesn't actually switch sides until the sj.Short hits, and by then it's too late. Of course he can simply fake the cross-up if he thinks you'll predict it, because they both look same until you get hit.

Saw two new assist-only infinites with Storm (for when the point and assist characters both get snapped back). The first was a launch into sj.Jab, then floating sj.Jabs all the way down (all of which uncombo), then launch again. The second is kind of situation-dependent. He had the opponent cornered, and he launched the point and assist characters, started an air combo which killed the point character, but he didn't have any meter. I can't remember exactly what the angles were, but I think he did Lightning Attack up/towards, then down/towards, then straight down, and because the 3rd Lightning Attack pops the opponent up so high, he had time to land and start launching.

I of course just got straight owned all day with a grand total of I think 2 wins in around 5 hours, but given how much I suck at Marvel, those numbers shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. Seemed to me that Mitsu was a little bit rusty because he was missing things that he normally nails 100%, like a standard Iron Man launch into infinite set-up. After a while though he looked like he was getting it back. I have to say though, my favorite thing about Mitsu is when he's playing, in the middle of a match, he'll just disregard the buttons and use his right hand to light up a smoke while he keeps his left hand on the stick to block.
+2 points for style.


-Nicholai!

danomyte 01-02-2005 11:06 PM

more XMvsSF! >_<

T-Kimura 01-03-2005 12:14 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
I have to say though, my favorite thing about Mitsu is when he's playing, in the middle of a match, he'll just disregard the buttons and use his right hand to light up a smoke while he keeps his left hand on the stick to block.
+2 points for style.


too good.

Master Chibi 01-03-2005 12:25 AM

Take a picture of the women!

NKI 01-03-2005 12:18 PM

Believe it or not, there are actually pictures of Japanese women available online.


-Nicholai!

danomyte 01-03-2005 03:00 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Believe it or not, there are actually pictures of Japanese women available online.


-Nicholai!

speaking of jap ladies....hows the hentai scence?
any good Chun Li or good Mai p0rn lately? :karate:

NKI 01-03-2005 08:52 PM

I have no idea about the hentai scene in Japan. You'll have to ask one of the creepy old men in the subway about that.


-Nicholai!

Saotome Kaneda 01-04-2005 01:47 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by danomyte
speaking of jap ladies....hows the hentai scence?
any good Chun Li or good Mai p0rn lately? :karate:

http://ills.presen.to/
Click on one of the banners and figure that shit out yourself. =p I think they're on Yuri and Friends 6 now or some shit.

DigitalGypsy 01-04-2005 01:55 AM

Thanks for posting Nick. Too good. Pictures of the arcades would be cool.

-M

Master Chibi 01-04-2005 01:59 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Believe it or not, there are actually pictures of Japanese women available online.


-Nicholai!


I want the NKI special edition photographs. Random shots like of wherever you go (not just women, but of the environment).

Stuff like that.

:karate:

HAQ2049 01-04-2005 02:03 AM

Yeah, I'd like to see some pictures of the Tokyo scene if possible.

NKI 01-04-2005 01:06 PM

You mean kind of like THIS?


-Nicholai!

qwazy 01-04-2005 02:14 PM

dood, i <3 your camera. nice quality.

btw, the clip with the blues guy is badass.

i remember when i went to japan i was walkin'
outside of some eletronic store and there was
this guy playing this kinda' flute. and i started
video taping and the security guard made him
leave and then told me to turn the camera off.

the flute was badass, though.

NKI 01-04-2005 07:36 PM

Nice! I wish I could see some hot flute action...

I did get to see a random acappella group perform on the streets of Harajuku, and they were actually quite good. That, plus I got to watch a homeless man try to pick a fight with a 10-year-old retarded boy accompanied by his father. That was just awkward for everyone...except the homeless man, I guess...


-Nicholai!

popo187 01-05-2005 12:56 AM

Great pictures, Kamakura reminds me of feudal Japan. If your taking any requests, could you take some night time/afternoon? I love those alot, and ive seen quite a bit of Japan (pics) during the night/afternoon and its very beautiful. thanks :)

ThyAllMighty 01-05-2005 03:58 AM

Oh, can you take pictures of the arcades too?

danomyte 01-05-2005 04:04 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Nice! I wish I could see some hot flute action...

I did get to see a random acappella group perform on the streets of Harajuku, and they were actually quite good. That, plus I got to watch a homeless man try to pick a fight with a 10-year-old retarded boy accompanied by his father. That was just awkward for everyone...except the homeless man, I guess...


-Nicholai!

did u get pics of this??

T-Kimura 01-05-2005 07:37 AM

very beautiful pictures, wanna see more ^_^

unsmart 01-05-2005 10:09 AM

Aw, the vid ends right when he really starts wailing. Good stuff.

Kenshin10401 01-06-2005 11:02 AM

Hey I just got to japan myself, im in hikone now, but in march im moving to aich to work at the world fair. How long did it take to get used to the jpn sticks because I cant use them at all, its way to loose. Also have you see any one playing CFJ?

NKI 01-06-2005 11:35 AM

For me to get to the point where I could use them confidently, I'd say it took a couple of months or so, but to get to the point where I could use them better than American sticks, probably about a year or so. (Keep in mind that I didn't use them very much before coming here.)

But once you get used to them, I think they are far better than American sticks, the reason being that I can do things on Jap sticks which I simply can not do on American sticks, like certain combos involving Guile's super in ST.

And yeah, people still play CFJ over here.


-Nicholai!

THChardcore 01-06-2005 12:36 PM

Some ST shots please!

NKI 01-08-2005 10:25 PM

More arcade (Shinjuku) - Super Turbo/AE

I didn't see anything amazing tonight (aside from the fact that not a single person was playing CvS2), but I did see one particular fellow who I found rather amusing. I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think he was Japanese. Anyway, the thing that was amusing about him was that he played the gamut of Honda. He played WW Honda, CE Honda, HF Honda, SSF2 Honda, and ST Honda, but in random order. He actually had some dirty tricks which I like, but the thing that I really like about this guy is that when he loses, when it shows Honda's portrait where he's all bloody, the guy would literally cringe, like it physically caused him pain to see Honda like that.

And to top it all off, after he won a really close match, he actually made the "Cha-ching!" motion. (Form a fist with your hand, put it up near your face, then pull downwards toward the side of your stomach.) I thought that was hot.

Also, now that I've started playing Chun exclusively (used to play Balrog too), I don't think Chun/Sagat is a complete wash-up anymore. It's still a hard match, but I started doing two new things that make it a little easier: D/F+RH over Tiger Shots, and jump straight up RH from half-screen, which has amazing range if Sagat is sticking out his arms from a Tiger Shot.


-Nicholai!
P.S.: popo187 - not sure if this is what you're looking for or not, but I took two random photos in Shinjuku. #1, #2

Don Calzone 01-08-2005 11:17 PM

Hahaha, that Honda fellow is my new idol :D

Cool pics! It would be very interesting to see some inside arcade pics to! So here's a request.

Great log btw.

NKI 01-10-2005 07:44 PM

EDIT: Sorry, the server went down, so I lost all these pictures.
----------------------------------------------------------------

More pictures! (Pun unintended.) By request:

3rd floor of More
4th floor of More
Outside of More

If you're curious as to just how many arcades there are in Tokyo, I think this pic says quite a lot...


-Nicholai!

T-Kimura 01-10-2005 08:58 PM

damn, nice

Crayfish 01-10-2005 09:33 PM

NKI, great thread, would love to hear about HSFAE's standing in the scene there. Is it popular, has it replaced ST or on equal standing or merely a novelty game? Has there been any tournies for AE? Are there any character bans like with ST.O.Sagat (CE Dictator/WW Charas etc)? Which characters are popular, dominating? Have there been oldschoolers coming out of retirement ala Jeff Sch in the states. Would especialy like to hear about any HF characters exploits against the ST charas.

Muskau 01-10-2005 09:52 PM

Damn its crazy, like another dimension lol

polarity 01-10-2005 10:02 PM

I knew all the cabs in Japan were head to head, but I didn't realize that there was no way to even see your opponent without walking the long way round. Is everywhere like that? Seems pretty antisocial... is there much sense of community amongst the players there?

ThyAllMighty 01-11-2005 04:37 AM

Head to heads are dope, I don't like having elbow sex when I play with some big sweaty guy next to me. You're dope though NKI, thanks for taking all the pictures. Japan is so aestheticlly beautiful. Neon lights, lot's of people on the street, buildings built up because there's no room; it all contributes to the feel of Japan. I really like how there are just walking alleyways and huge buildings to the side. It really makes a tourist feel like he or she is intimately immearsed in the city. I hella wanna go there now. I don't know much Japanese though, will that be a problem? (i heard a lot of people speak english)

polarity 01-11-2005 05:44 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ThyAllMighty
Head to heads are dope, I don't like having elbow sex when I play with some big sweaty guy next to me.


I can understand that, bt it seems like it totally eliminates the social aspect of arcade gaming.

And I personally think Japan was probably more aesthetically beautiful before it became the world leader in ultra-capitalist technological excess. Although I admit that that development does have some benefits, such as fighting games ;).

noodleman 01-11-2005 06:01 AM

you just need to stand up, walk around and say what's up. I definitely like vs. cabs over us cabs. And you can't watch hands, or "accidentically" nudge someone.

Plus Sanwa > Happ.

misterbean97 01-11-2005 06:10 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Muskau
Damn its crazy, like another dimension lol


haha, seriously. wow, and i noticed there are ashtrays on the cabs.
after seeing those pics i really want to go to japan.
japan = sf heaven.

polarity 01-11-2005 06:16 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by noodleman
you just need to stand up, walk around and say what's up.


i seem to remember someone in some other thread (maybe even this one) saying this is really taboo though...:confused:

T-Kimura 01-11-2005 07:08 AM

NKI, i'd like to know about the community there.. is it more friendier than say america? like do they help each other with strats etc more than people in america do?

noodleman 01-11-2005 07:15 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by polarity
i seem to remember someone in some other thread (maybe even this one) saying this is really taboo though...:confused:


I can see that, japanese have really odd forms of giving respect to one and other.

It can be disrepectful since you'll be standing and he's sitting, so there's the height thing for respect, unless you wanna crawl over there or something.

Japan's a wonderful place, I hope i get to visit it some day.

Nice log NKI, good to see that you're enjoying all of japan (not just @ more all the time)! :tup:

YellowS4 01-11-2005 07:16 AM

http://home.coqui.net/evilaro/gamec...ics/More.3F.jpg

wow, why cant my arcade have something like that on the side? jpnse cabs > us easily.

NKI 01-11-2005 02:29 PM

Quote:
NKI, great thread, would love to hear about HSFAE's standing in the scene there. Is it popular, has it replaced ST or on equal standing or merely a novelty game? Has there been any tournies for AE? Are there any character bans like with ST.O.Sagat (CE Dictator/WW Charas etc)? Which characters are popular, dominating? Have there been oldschoolers coming out of retirement ala Jeff Sch in the states. Would especialy like to hear about any HF characters exploits against the ST charas.
The only experience I have with the ST/AE scene is at More, so this may or may not be applicable to the rest of Tokyo. They have ST and AE side by side at More, and both get about the same amount of play. Most of the time when people play AE, they use ST characters, but there are also several people who play CE Guile, CE Sagat, CE Bison, HF Ken, HF Ryu, and HF Gief. More never has tourneys (or at least not that I'm aware of), but I've heard that the summer is the true tourney season for most arcades.

Other than Akuma, I don't think there are any bans (soft or hard), because people have no problem playing CE Sagat, and he is even better than O.Sagat. I'm not too sure about any old schoolers coming out of the woodwork, mostly because I wouldn't even know them if I saw them. I wish I could tell you more about the game, but for the most part, they just play it as an ST substitute. The only thing that really sticks out in my mind is they say against Sagat, ST Gief is better than HF Gief because ST Gief can go through both high and low Tiger Shots with his kick lariat, whereas HF Gief has to use punch lariat for high Tigers, and kick lariat for low Tigers.

Quote:
I knew all the cabs in Japan were head to head, but I didn't realize that there was no way to even see your opponent without walking the long way round. Is everywhere like that? Seems pretty antisocial... is there much sense of community amongst the players there?
Every arcade is like that. They do have single cabinets, but those are pretty much one-player-only cabinets. Even though they have both joysticks installed, nobody ever plays them two player. After a match on a head-to-head cab, sometimes people will take a peek over the cabinet to see who they played, but there is a little bit of shame or embarrassment if you get caught peeking. I dunno why. They do have a close community, and I always see people chatting before/during/after games. That is of course if they know the person. In Japan, talking to strangers is kind of weird, unless you are lost or need some kind of help.

Quote:
I don't know much Japanese though, will that be a problem? (i heard a lot of people speak english)
There is this myth that most people in Japan can speak at least a little bit of English, but hear me now. It is true that pretty much every Japanese person has had some English classes (usually in grade school or high school), but they absolutely can not speak English. The reason is because in their English classes, they are basically learning how to pass an English exam, not how to speak English. I know because I attend a college-level English class as kind of an assistant, and even though they know quite a lot about English, they can't speak it at all.

However, as you may have seen in the pictures, Japan is completely littered with English, which makes it a lot easier for non-Japanese speakers.

Quote:
I definitely like vs. cabs over us cabs. And you can't watch hands, or "accidentically" nudge someone.
If you ask me, head-to-head cabs require more skill because you literally have nothing to go on except instinct. You can't hear/see joystick movement, you can't even see your opponent, so you don't know if he's getting flustered/upset/impatient/etc, and especially to my benefit, you can't hear me mashing for Lightning Kicks. I have to admit though, it really takes away the human aspect...it's almost like playing the computer.

Quote:
NKI, i'd like to know about the community there.. is it more friendier than say america? like do they help each other with strats etc more than people in america do?
I'm not too sure because it's quite loud in More, plus my Japanese is pretty crappy, so I probably wouldn't be able to understand them even if I could hear them, but it looks to me like they are usually talking strats and stuff. I'm pretty sure if you went up to a random guy in an arcade and asked him a game-related question, he'd have no problem helping you out.


-Nicholai!

polarity 01-11-2005 02:36 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Every arcade is like that. They do have single cabinets, but those are pretty much one-player-only cabinets. Even though they have both joysticks installed, nobody ever plays them two player. After a match on a head-to-head cab, sometimes people will take a peek over the cabinet to see who they played, but there is a little bit of shame or embarrassment if you get caught peeking. I dunno why. They do have a close community, and I always see people chatting before/during/after games. That is of course if they know the person. In Japan, talking to strangers is kind of weird, unless you are lost or need some kind of help.


So how do you get involved in that community yourself? Just wait for some to approach you? Or is playing the same game as someone else in the same arcade considered acceptable grounds for talking to them? heh.

Saotome Kaneda 01-11-2005 03:15 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by polarity
So how do you get involved in that community yourself? Just wait for some to approach you? Or is playing the same game as someone else in the same arcade considered acceptable grounds for talking to them? heh.

I'm pretty well known in my local arcade here in Oki(and a few where the operators/regulars also visit), they give me a small nod when I enter and such, I've seen a couple of these guys on the street and they say what's up in Japanese(then comment on how good my Japanese is when all I have is the accent, good pronunciation and shitty sentence building skills), some of them comment about me or about who's playing mid match, it's really interesting. And the regulars usually peek to see who's playing if they don't initially recognize who it is. Otherwise, they get rather vocal. =p It's all fun once you get into the groove.

When I went to Tokyo last year for Anime Expo Japan, I was in Ikebukuro's Sega Gigo, and played in their Kof 2k3 tourney. Two days before, one college dude comes up to me and(once again) comments on how good I was, and was actually able to keep up with my slang and small talk. We were e-mail pals for a little bit, then I lost his addy. He was the only one to cheer me on when I played too. =/

Basically, you just play until they get an interest in you. Usually if you beast on enough of them the first time, they'll give you a GG-style thumbs up or okay hand signal, sometimes they'll attempt shitty English, sometimes they'll ask you if you understand Japanese.

HaoGui 01-11-2005 09:36 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
There is this myth that most people in Japan can speak at least a little bit of English, but hear me now. It is true that pretty much every Japanese person has had some English classes (usually in grade school or high school), but they absolutely can not speak English. The reason is because in their English classes, they are basically learning how to pass an English exam, not how to speak English. I know because I attend a college-level English class as kind of an assistant, and even though they know quite a lot about English, they can't speak it at all.

However, as you may have seen in the pictures, Japan is completely littered with English, which makes it a lot easier for non-Japanese speakers.

If you ask me, head-to-head cabs require more skill because you literally have nothing to go on except instinct. You can't hear/see joystick movement, you can't even see your opponent, so you don't know if he's getting flustered/upset/impatient/etc, and especially to my benefit, you can't hear me mashing for Lightning Kicks. I have to admit though, it really takes away the human aspect...it's almost like playing the computer.

I'm not too sure because it's quite loud in More, plus my Japanese is pretty crappy, so I probably wouldn't be able to understand them even if I could hear them, but it looks to me like they are usually talking strats and stuff. I'm pretty sure if you went up to a random guy in an arcade and asked him a game-related question, he'd have no problem helping you out.


-Nicholai!



Ey man, yeah that is pretty much true I guess. But I've heard that random people will try to practice English with you, though I've never experienced it myself. As for social aspects there, well it depends on the people just like here, some peeps talk some don't. I met this guy at More named Michio playing A3 he was like an English major and shit, kept asking me how I thought his English was lol. I partnered with him at a Shinjuku Sportsland tourney back when SS nishiguchiten was still open (the dopest SS!) when his partner didn't show up and mine ditched the tourney to play Liquid Metal in MvC2 cause he was getting his ass beat lol :lame: Any info on it being reopened?

btw I highly recommend going to Game Newton if you haven't been, the owner there is real cool, name Matsuda. They like to talk shit there while playing too :tup: I played Fujiwara mad times got tore up by that ill ass Necro. Played a real dirty oro didn't get his name but probably was Dirty. real fun man. Damn I miss Japan! :sad: Be coming back in May for SBO we need oughta hook up then. :tup:

Don Calzone 01-12-2005 12:08 AM

Thanks alot for the dope pics NKI! Do you think you can take som peeping pics on the dope HSF2 players? That would be wacky :D Hahahaha

NKI 01-12-2005 10:17 AM

HaoGui - I'm not sure about the West side Sportsland (don't think I've ever been there), but I know the one on the East side is up and running. I actually went to Newton with Mopreme about a month ago for a 3rd Strike tourney. I don't play 3rd Strike, so I just went to watch/catch up with Mopreme, but yeah, that arcade is dope, and Matsuda is my hero. I still remember at B5(?) when I first saw him, I thought he was straight nuts.

Don Calzone - that might be asking too much...


-Nicholai!

popo187 01-12-2005 05:17 PM

thanks for the request NKI!!

i got another one, can u take pics of some of the players (gamers) there that you know? I wanna see whos who. thanks :P

NKI 01-12-2005 06:04 PM

Other than Chikyuu, I don't personally know any of the players up at More. I know some faces (Mago, Daigo, Dan, etc), but I've never talked to them before, so that would be pretty weird if I just went up to them and said, "Hey, stand still while I take your picture."

If you want to see pics of Chikyuu and Takayuki, you can peep my Evo2004 pics.

You can take my word for it that most of the people up at More just look like normal Japanese people.


-Nicholai!

Myfacehurts24 01-13-2005 05:01 AM

This is a dope thread. I'm going to Japan this summer. All I know is I'm staying at the Hyatt in Tokyo (same one from "Lost in Translation"). Is there any of these big arcades you're refering to near there? I'd love to play w/ some of Japan's finest.

NKI 01-13-2005 01:52 PM

What game(s) do you play? For CvS2, CFJ, and ST/AE, More is one of the best, if not the best. There is also non-stop 3rd Strike competition, but I think there are better arcades for 3S comp. If you play Marvel, I'll have to organize a get-together, because no one really plays much anymore.

Not exactly sure where the Hyatt is, but if you're in Tokyo, you can go pretty much anywhere you want by train, so transportation/distance shouldn't be a problem.


-Nicholai!

Eric J 01-13-2005 09:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
What game(s) do you play? For CvS2, CFJ, and ST/AE, More is one of the best, if not the best. There is also non-stop 3rd Strike competition, but I think there are better arcades for 3S comp. If you play Marvel, I'll have to organize a get-together, because no one really plays much anymore.

Not exactly sure where the Hyatt is, but if you're in Tokyo, you can go pretty much anywhere you want by train, so transportation/distance shouldn't be a problem.


-Nicholai!


Ey Nick, where do you play MvC2? I always play at Alpha Station when I go there. Are there any other places?

NKI 01-13-2005 10:53 PM

The only two arcades I have ever seen with MvC2 on a head-to-head cabinet are Alpha Station and Game Goose, both in Shin-Ookubo. I have never seen anyone playing at Game Goose, but then again, people don't really play MvC2 anymore.

I heard people used to play at Game Safari in Ikebukuro, but now they only have it on a single cab.


-Nicholai!

Hiko 01-14-2005 09:20 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
The only two arcades I have ever seen with MvC2 on a head-to-head cabinet are Alpha Station and Game Goose, both in Shin-Ookubo. I have never seen anyone playing at Game Goose, but then again, people don't really play MvC2 anymore.


Ace in Tsudanuma still has an MVC2 head to head...unless they took it out within the last 3 weeks.

There are a few people that play there...

NKI 01-19-2005 06:19 PM

Not a huge update, but...

The other day, two friends came over, a guy and a girl. Not Street Fighter players; just two random Japanese people. They saw the joysticks laying on my floor, and asked if they could play. I said sure and loaded up Kawaks. The guy said he wanted to play XSF, but the girl said she didn't know how to play. His exact words to her (translated into English) were, "Do a Hadouken with two punches to do the super". I was surprised at the following three things:

-this random girl knew what a Hadouken is
-she knew how to perform a Hadouken
-she could then execute supers on command

I feel like I'm living in the Twilight Zone.


-Nicholai!

Sir Plus 01-19-2005 06:28 PM

HA!! That's fuckin' hilarious.:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Young Ic3 01-19-2005 07:33 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
I feel like I'm living in the Twilight Zone.



Ive been telling everybody its in thier blood!!!!

SilverGear 01-19-2005 09:44 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
The guy said he wanted to play XSF, but the girl said she didn't know how to play. His exact words to her (translated into English) were, "Do a Hadouken with two punches to do the super". I was surprised at the following three things:

-this random girl knew what a Hadouken is
-she knew how to perform a Hadouken
-she could then execute supers on command

I feel like I'm living in the Twilight Zone.


-Nicholai!


That's just too funny! :clap:

griml0ck 01-19-2005 10:09 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Not a huge update, but...

The other day, two friends came over, a guy and a girl. Not Street Fighter players; just two random Japanese people. They saw the joysticks laying on my floor, and asked if they could play. I said sure and loaded up Kawaks. The guy said he wanted to play XSF, but the girl said she didn't know how to play. His exact words to her (translated into English) were, "Do a Hadouken with two punches to do the super". I was surprised at the following three things:

-this random girl knew what a Hadouken is
-she knew how to perform a Hadouken
-she could then execute supers on command

I feel like I'm living in the Twilight Zone.


-Nicholai!



LOL, its almost like they are required to take SF history in school :karate:

danomyte 01-20-2005 06:25 AM

sounds like a keeper! ^_^
azn women>>>>>>usa women
so when u come to STL lets get some XSF matches in!? i dont use infs & im very honarable(LT user) fighter!
:wink: :china:

NKI 01-20-2005 01:51 PM

If you don't use infinites, then you might not like playing with me...:confused:


-Nicholai!

dogface 01-20-2005 05:59 PM

NKI,

Man, Japan sounds like the place to be. But seriously dood, you play with infinites in XvSF? YOU!?

Damn dood, is that even fun?

-V

NKI 01-20-2005 11:56 PM

I'm not saying you should play the game like I do, but to me, playing XSF without infinites is like playing ST without throws. :confused:


-Nicholai!

T-Kimura 01-21-2005 02:12 AM

infinites 24/7 do make the game pretty boring, the game has so much combo possibilities, so why not use em.. but yeah, all depends on your style i guess, i cant say to someone "hey, stop using infinites" cause that'd be pretty scrubby cause people are entitled to play the way they wanna play.

NKI 01-23-2005 01:09 AM

More arcade (Shinjuku) - ST, "More Vega Marathon"

Tonight I played against the notorious More Vega (David Sirlin's best friend) for about 15 straight matches or so. Even though there were several people watching, nobody else played, maybe because they don't like playing against More Vega because he is amazingly cheap. <shrug>

Anyway, for those who don't know, More Vega is one of the filthiest Vega players in the world. When he's not owning people with Wall Dive shenanigans, he is quite good at just poking away at you with Vega's long range normals, and he knows when you're going to sit there and block, so he does walk up throw.

When I played against him, it was of course Chun vs. Vega, which is a match I am only a little bit familiar with. Our first couple matches, he would try to poke away at me, but I managed to do a decent job of stopping him via fireballs and lightning legs. After that, he started doing Wall Dive shenanigans, but Chun has a fail-safe defense against the Wall Dive: jump back Fierce. It will beat his Wall Dives clean, if it whiffs she's not vulnerable, and if he tries to go off of your wall, he gets air thrown. After that, he started doing the fake Wall Dive (Flash Kick with punch...dunno what it's called), which will cleanly beat Chun's jump back Fierce. From there, it basically just became Turtle Fest 2005, Featuring NKI and More Vega. We both played super defensive, with me running away to the corner, and More Vega not doing much of anything other than Wall Dive mixups every once in a while. If one of us accidentally used offense and closed the gap, it was basically a flurry of quick, safe rushdown, followed by more turtling. I wasn't keeping track of the score (or even how many games we played), but we had a lot of good matches. He probably beat me four or five times for every one time I beat him. That dude is just too dirty.

Two years ago when I came to Japan for the first time, I taped and uploaded about 14 matches of a pretty good Balrog vs. a random Ryu and Deejay. Well that same Balrog player also plays Honda, and let me tell you, he is disgusting. Unfortunately I didn't bring my video camera, but here's what really impressed me:
-He wins the horrendous matches (like Honda vs. Old Ken).
-He somehow manages to hit people with all four hits of the super.
-From the right distance, he has a crazy corner mixup after Honda's Fierce throw (the hug). After Honda releases you from the throw, you are tossed into the corner, and he will jump towards you, which crosses you up, but then because you hit the wall and "stick" for a second, it then un-crosses up. If you don't block correctly, he follows up with st.Jab, st.Jab xx 100 Hand Slap, which does hella, plus block damage after it combos. If you block it right, he does Oichio, which puts him right on top of you in the corner once again.

Oh yeah...while I'm at it, I forgot to mention the other day that in ST, I saw something that was completely new to me. I was facing a Zangief player (a damn good one, actually), and he did a meaty jump-in against me. I didn't have upkicks charged, but I did have Spinning Bird Kick charged, and it has invincibility. So when he went for the tick attempt, I did reversal SBK as he did Zangief's running bear grab. I avoided the tick attempt, but to my utter dismay and complete horror, the running bear grab actually grabbed me while I was upside down, in the air, doing Spinning Bird Kick...

Oh, and on a completely unrelated note, just so that there's no confusion, please also quickly check this thread.

Thank you!


-Nicholai!

danomyte 01-23-2005 04:39 AM

hows the neo geo cades look like? ppl play kof03 or is it dead since Neo wave is there?

dogface 01-23-2005 06:19 AM

NKI,

Damn dood, ST galore! Now we're all gonna expect you to get top 5 at EVO if you make it out.

About XvSF, yeah, I understand infs. are in the game. But I think it takes away all the fun that is XvSF when it comes down to "whoever gets first hit wins." Sure, it then goes to another level, with "I better not get hit" which can be fun for a minute. But I foolishly thought the Japanese frowned on infinites in XvSF.

And if someone's all about landing the infinite, there's hardly any reason to do any hard or challenging combos when basic combos often lead to infinites. But hey, if you make it to EVO, I'd still love to play you!

Great log BTW,
-Vic

SNK NEOGEO AU 01-23-2005 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by danomyte
hows the neo geo cades look like? ppl play kof03 or is it dead since Neo wave is there?


KOF 02 gets alot more play than 03 over there.

NKI 01-23-2005 07:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by dogface
Damn dood, ST galore! Now we're all gonna expect you to get top 5 at EVO if you make it out.
Considering that I have never even made it out of the qualifying pools at any Evo or B5, I sincerely hope nobody expects me to do anything other than scrub out, as I do ever year. :confused:

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But I foolishly thought the Japanese frowned on infinites in XvSF.
Oh, the Japanese definitely use infinites. I don't know who started the whole "Japanese honor" fairy tale, but it's not true...in any game.

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And if someone's all about landing the infinite, there's hardly any reason to do any hard or challenging combos when basic combos often lead to infinites.
Of course there is a big difference between friendly play and competitive play. When it's just a group of friends, they will try to show off and do some MOTG, triple FSD combo, but when it's go time, they just cheap it up.

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But hey, if you make it to EVO, I'd still love to play you!
As you may have seen in the vid of me vs. ozy, I suck at XSF, but sure, we can play!


-Nicholai!
P.S.: I have no idea about the KOF scene over here. Sorry. :sad:

Sabin 01-23-2005 07:31 PM

nick i dont even like ST that much, but that was a interesting read, keep it up! :D

FLipFloP 01-23-2005 08:29 PM

I'm kind of dumb to the whole japan scene for 3S, but who is the best right now in Japan?

And in tournaments, is the prize money alot in big events or even local ones?

Apoc 01-23-2005 09:02 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by FLipFloP
I'm kind of dumb to the whole japan scene for 3S, but who is the best right now in Japan?

And in tournaments, is the prize money alot in big events or even local ones?


No prize money in Japanese tourneys. It's considered gambling, I believe.

Nice logs NKI:) More ST!!! You almost make me wanna get serious again:)

Apoc.

Buttermaker 01-23-2005 10:31 PM

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/sho...89&postcount=77

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Originally Posted by Buktooth
The 3s team winners actually used their 1000 dollar prize money to pay for some rented room with all you can drink alcohol (!) and karaoke and stuff.

Apoc 01-23-2005 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Buttermaker


I didn't mean to say that there haven't been any. This is just a rule of thumb from everything I've ever heard.

Apoc.

NKI 01-23-2005 11:50 PM

The overwhelming majority of Japanese tourneys have no prize money (but also no entrance fee), and the machines are usually set to freeplay. They really are just for fun and fame more than anything else.

As for Japan's best 3rd Strike players, you're better off asking someone who actually knows the 3rd Strike scene, maybe someone like Mopreme (who is also in Japan now), or Pyrolee. I really only have interest in ST, XSF, and MvC2.


-Nicholai!

Eric J 01-24-2005 12:10 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
More arcade (Shinjuku) - ST, "More Vega Marathon"

Oh yeah...while I'm at it, I forgot to mention the other day that in ST, I saw something that was completely new to me. I was facing a Zangief player (a damn good one, actually), and he did a meaty jump-in against me. I didn't have upkicks charged, but I did have Spinning Bird Kick charged, and it has invincibility. So when he went for the tick attempt, I did reversal SBK as he did Zangief's running bear grab. I avoided the tick attempt, but to my utter dismay and complete horror, the running bear grab actually grabbed me while I was upside down, in the air, doing Spinning Bird Kick...

-Nicholai!


This also happens in CvS2! You can get grabbed out of SBK during startup :sad:

SilverGear 01-27-2005 11:30 PM

NKI,
Just out of curiosity: How long will you be staying in Japan?

Chris F 01-28-2005 04:51 AM

Hey NKI. Just want to say this thread is really good and I've enjoyed reading about Super Turbo a lot. Honda vs. Old Ken on a head-to head machine would be much harder for Ken than the traditional American style cabinet, which Honda sucks on. Nonetheless this Honda sounds very impressive, and I saw the footage of him using Balrog. I play Gief mainly now and Chun is so hard to beat. I find it easier to beat Guile now, than to beat Chun. Anyways the jump up fierce for Gief you mentioned has been a good help against Vega and others, thanks. I'm moving to Osaka in 06 and I definitely want to challenge all the top ST players, and I especially want to see this player, Pony Zangief, that Kuni talked about. That is also the best name for a ST player.

ruin- 01-28-2005 08:21 AM

Hey NKI cop me some "bapes" while you're in japan i'm good for the money!

popoblo 01-28-2005 08:54 AM

so cvs2 is pretty much dead over there?

peace

NKI 01-29-2005 12:01 AM

SilverGear - I'll be here until late July, early August.

Chris F - yes, Pony Gief is a beast, and his name rocks, too. (Didn't you used to post on AGSF2?)

ruin - Bathing Ape stuff costs hella, which is why I just buy the fakes from Thailand. :confused:

popoblo - Last time I went to More was about a week ago, but CvS2 still had plenty of action.


-Nicholai!

ruin- 01-30-2005 06:22 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
SilverGear - I'll be here until late July, early August.

Chris F - yes, Pony Gief is a beast, and his name rocks, too. (Didn't you used to post on AGSF2?)

ruin - Bathing Ape stuff costs hella, which is why I just buy the fakes from Thailand. :confused:

popoblo - Last time I went to More was about a week ago, but CvS2 still had plenty of action.


-Nicholai!



How much does that shit run for cause when i order my stuff online shoes the lowest u can get em are like 250? But i cant find any shirt's and i wanna cop some =(

Mouko 01-30-2005 07:04 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ruin-
How much does that shit run for cause when i order my stuff online shoes the lowest u can get em are like 250? But i cant find any shirt's and i wanna cop some =(


They're opening a store in Soho NY..its being built right now. I would personally wait if I were you. I'm moving to NY in a few months so if you need me to get things I would be more then happy to. But be warned , I don't know if they're going to adopt the Japanese philosophy, but the Bathing ape stores in Japan you are only allowed 1 item in 1 size per visit. This is to maintain its "exclusivity".

Also, in regards to the shoes, most cost between 100-200.00, the ones online are heavily marked up.

There is a store here in san francisco that carry's bape, Recon (do a google search for Recon SF). So far they were the only US store I know that carried them before the big popularity boom, at least on the west coast. They get shipments every month.

ruin- 01-30-2005 07:18 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mouko
They're opening a store in Soho NY..its being built right now. I would personally wait if I were you. I'm moving to NY in a few months so if you need me to get things I would be more then happy to. But be warned , I don't know if they're going to adopt the Japanese philosophy, but the Bathing ape stores in Japan you are only allowed 1 item in 1 size per visit. This is to maintain its "exclusivity".

Also, in regards to the shoes, most cost between 100-200.00, the ones online are heavily marked up.

There is a store here in san francisco that carry's bape, Recon (do a google search for Recon SF). So far they were the only US store I know that carried them before the big popularity boom, at least on the west coast. They get shipments every month.



Damn. get at me over aim

NKI 01-31-2005 11:11 AM

Sgt. Mouko of the fashion police! By the way, even though the announcer was rather annoying, that GSN footage of you regulating people at Evo was priceless. GOOD JOB.


-Nicholai!

MadBooFace 01-31-2005 11:43 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ruin-
Damn. get at me over aim


gotta stay on top of your kicks game son lol.

retail for bapestas at the bape store in ny is $200, camo bape hoody is $350. damn now that's RAPE ahahaha.

NKI 01-31-2005 02:48 PM

Not really SF related, but...

Considering that the game never even came out in Japan, and most people here have only heard of it but never played it, I find it strange that some of the most entertaining Mortal Kombat sites are Japanese, such as this one:
http://www1.interq.or.jp/~lesyn/mk/

My favorite thing about that site is the pictures, especically this one.

Another one of my favorites is the MS Paint Fatality expo:
http://www.geocities.jp/mbird0208/page023.html

But I'm a sucker for MS Paint works...


-Nicholai!

danomyte 01-31-2005 04:09 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
The overwhelming majority of Japanese tourneys have no prize money (but also no entrance fee), and the machines are usually set to freeplay. They really are just for fun and fame more than anything else.

well maybe since the tourney are free & you win NO cash maybe the japs will use lower tier? Then US see this & is wowed to see to see Q in a tournment.So this makes them look honorable .But travling in US isnt cheap & alot of bling is on the line. So alot of TT whoring by us.

so hows the weather? :sweat:
and are the cades set by the companies or are they set up randomly?

NKI 01-31-2005 07:55 PM

In general I think there is a misconception about the Japanese and top tier. While it is true that there are some amazing players who use non-top tier (definitely more than in America), the majority still uses top tier. Being that the Japanese are hella cheap, I am not sure why so many Americans think the Japanese play with "honor", whatever that is supposed to mean...

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Originally Posted by danomyte
and are the cades set by the companies or are they set up randomly?
I have no idea what you are asking here. :confused:


-Nicholai!

SilverGear 01-31-2005 09:39 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI

I have no idea what you are asking here. :confused:


-Nicholai!


I think he's asking if most arcades are franchise based or privately owned.


Anyways,
There's a chance that I might be making a trip over to Japan later on this year. Any pointers if I go? Like keep an eye out for wandering hands while on a train or something of that ilk?

Any advice would be appreciated.

polarity 01-31-2005 10:22 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
I am not sure why so many Americans think the Japanese play with "honor", whatever that is supposed to mean...


It seems to me that giving it your best and using the best in-game tools available to you to secure a win (i.e. being cheap) is much more honorable than deliberately restricting yourself with arbitrary codes on conduct just because playing all-out might offend some people. Not doing the best you possibly can is an insult to your opponent.

beelzebubble 01-31-2005 10:25 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Being that the Japanese are hella cheap, I am not sure why so many Americans think the Japanese play with "honor", whatever that is supposed to mean...


agree 100%

Eishi 02-01-2005 12:12 AM

I don't think that "cheap" is the appropriate word to describe their way of playing, it's just that they play the games to the fullest which means that if there's something efficient they will use it no matter what (infinites for example).

NKI,I am a Vega player so I would love to hear more about More Vega. I only have one match of him which can be found on the SBO1 bonus DVD, but he gets owned by Daigo so I couln't learn anything from it. Can you please describe the techniques and combos he uses the most ? What does he uses for anti air ? What does he like to do when his opponent wakes up after being knoked down ?

NKI 02-01-2005 12:32 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverGear
I think he's asking if most arcades are franchise based or privately owned.
Both, really. There are franchise aracades like Club Sega, Taito Station, etc, but there are also tons and tons of privately owned arcades, and they usually have the funny names, like "GAME GAME", or "Game Goose", or "Game Safari", or "More Amusement Forum".

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There's a chance that I might be making a trip over to Japan later on this year. Any pointers if I go? Like keep an eye out for wandering hands while on a train or something of that ilk?
Actually crime is really low in Japan, so pickpockets aren't really a problem. To be perfectly honest, if you sit next to a Japanese person on a train that is not crowded, it's not uncommon for the Japanese person to move away from you.

The only thing I'd say watch out for is those shady-ass negros in places like Shinjuku. When they approach you with their broken English and try to offer you "SEXY LADY", even if you're in the market for a hooker, avoid them. In Japan, you can get laid pretty much for free (both literally and metaphorically) if you are white and not disgustingly grotesque.

I don't have much general advice other than make sure you eat some good ramen while you are here. If you have any specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

Re: More Vega
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Can you please describe the techniques and combos he uses the most ?
His basic game is to poke at you and kind of rush you down with really safe moves, but then he will create gaps where he knows you will attack, so he waits and lets you whiff, then counters. Even though Vega's throw range is quite small, More Vega is good at throwing people because he knows when you will attack and when you will block. For example, after you block his jump straight up RH, if he knows you will block, he does walk up throw; if he knows you will try to reverse, he will do cr.Forward, cr.Forward, cr.Strong (3-hit combo), then follow up with a cr.RH (slide) to close the gap if he thinks you will block, or just wait for you to whiff if he thinks you will attack, then counter you with cr.Strong, st.Fierce, or walk up throw.

Every once in a while he will do a claw dive or two, and if he catches you with one, he'll keep doing ambiguous cross-ups with meaty wall dives. If he knows you will predict his initial wall dive, he'll go off the wall but hold back so that your counter will whiff, then he does cr.Strong to punish.

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What does he uses for anti air ?
If he has it charged, he uses the flip kick, otherwise, depending on the incoming attack and the range, he will do st.RH (against most jump-ins), jump straight up Fierce (against some jump-ins, and things like Honda's butt slam), or cr.Strong (against something like a Shoto air Hurricane Kick).

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What does he like to do when his opponent wakes up after being knoked down ?
If he didn't have the Wall Dive charged when he knocked you down, he will sometimes do a meaty roll, but he usually does meaty jump straight up RH, followed by the guessing game described above. Just to keep it fresh, every once in a while he does meaty st.Short or st.Forward, then throw if you sit there, or cr.Forward, cr.Forward, cr.Strong if you stand up to try to reverse. And of course sometimes when you're getting up he'll just let you whiff a reversal, then cr.Strong or walk up throw.

He actually plays several different characters. So far I've seen him play Chun, Bison (dictator), and CE Guile, all of whom are quite good, but his Vega is definitely his best character.


-Nicholai!

ruin- 02-01-2005 04:31 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI

The only thing I'd say watch out for is those shady-ass negros in places like Shinjuku. When they approach you with their broken English and try to offer you "SEXY LADY", even if you're in the market for a hooker, avoid them. In Japan, you can get laid pretty much for free (both literally and metaphorically) if you are white and not disgustingly grotesque.


-Nicholai!



Tell me more about this? And where should i go to visit if i wanna play games shop around etc. I have no clue about japan but me and 2 friends wanna make out way down there july ish. And I'm all about getin laid :]

Eric J 02-01-2005 08:12 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI

The only thing I'd say watch out for is those shady-ass negros in places like Shinjuku. When they approach you with their broken English and try to offer you "SEXY LADY", even if you're in the market for a hooker, avoid them. In Japan, you can get laid pretty much for free (both literally and metaphorically) if you are white and not disgustingly grotesque.

-Nicholai!


LOL Kabuki-chou....had that happen to me, when I first walked around shinjuku, wandered into that section. I refused then started walking a little more then the guys "manager" tried to hustle me, thing was his fucking English was fucking PERFECT. He was standing on the corner by some Yakuza looking dude too...Scary. Anywayz I don't know about being white lol but I know black men get laid for free too.
:tup:

SilverGear 02-01-2005 10:21 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI

Actually crime is really low in Japan, so pickpockets aren't really a problem. To be perfectly honest, if you sit next to a Japanese person on a train that is not crowded, it's not uncommon for the Japanese person to move away from you.


Well that good to hear. Not to sure if I'm too fond of the idea of people moving away from me, but I'll be sure not to try and set myself up for a situation like that.

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The only thing I'd say watch out for is those shady-ass negros in places like Shinjuku. When they approach you with their broken English and try to offer you "SEXY LADY", even if you're in the market for a hooker, avoid them. In Japan, you can get laid pretty much for free (both literally and metaphorically) if you are white and not disgustingly grotesque.


Hahaha, looks like shady-ass negros are everywhere now-a-days.

Anyways, it's good to know I can pretty much get laid for free! I'm not Asian crazy, but I'm not stupid enough to turn an opportunity like that down.

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I don't have much general advice other than make sure you eat some good ramen while you are here. If you have any specific questions, I'd be happy to answer them.

-Nicholai!



I do have one specific question for you and if you can't answer it that's perfectly fine. My question is this: Are there any large book stores in Tokyo that you personally recommend I visit?

I heard there's a 10 story one in Akihabara next to the Jr Line (?) train station. Is Akihabara near Tokyo? I'm horrible at remembering country lay-outs and such so forgive my ignorance. :sweat:

Again, if you can't answer these questions don't sweat it. I'm just a literature junky and was hoping to visit some of the large book stores I've heard of over there.

Thanks for your help!

NKI 02-01-2005 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ruin-
Tell me more about this? And where should i go to visit if i wanna play games shop around etc. I have no clue about japan but me and 2 friends wanna make out way down there july ish. And I'm all about getin laid :]
To be honest, I'm not sure where the good Guilty Gear comp is because I don't follow the scene at all. There are tons of arcades that have the game, but I'm not sure where the best players play.

I can assure you that you'll have absolutely no problem finding places to shop around. As for getting laid, you can pretty much just go to a club, find a girl you like, get a few drinks in her, then take her back to a love hotel (~$30 for 3 hours), or if you find a really special girl, you can just boink her in the alley behind the club. That's not to say that banging in an alley is common place, but it has happened. (Not to me, by the way.) Knowing some Japanese is a plus, but not required.

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Originally Posted by SilverGear
Are there any large book stores in Tokyo that you personally recommend I visit?
The only one I've been to is the Maruzen that is located about 2 minutes from Tokyo station. There's also a rather big one in Shinjuku, only a few minutes from the East exit. I'm sure there are more, but I don't know any myself.

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I heard there's a 10 story one in Akihabara next to the Jr Line (?) train station. Is Akihabara near Tokyo?
Akihabara is actually part of the Tokyo metro area (as is Shinjuku, Shibuya, Ikebukuro, etc). They're all within 30 minutes of each other via the JR, so it's quite convenient.


-Nicholai!

popo187 02-02-2005 03:12 AM

japanese girls, well the avarage ones are pretty nasty compared to US standards, but on the bright side from what a friend told me, you can get laid with the ease of the 7 seas :p

ThyAllMighty 02-02-2005 07:01 AM

No offense to Japs, they are dope and all but japanese smiles break glass.

Chris F 02-03-2005 04:40 AM

NKI: yeah man this is Chris from the old agsf2. I recall some talks with you on the boards and on #capcom...

Marvel players you play against I assume... (Chikyuu, Mitsu, Takayuki, etc...) a friend of mine, a white kid named Alex Z. who was the 2nd best Marvel player in British Columbia, really good Cable player, lived in Toyko a year or 2 ago and he entered one of their tourneys and he won the tourney, beating Mitsu's Ironman (he said he had the best Ironman he'd ever seen, get hit once your game is over, however he said if you beat his Ironman, he'd lose everytime basically) and he said some guy had a ridiculously good Shuma Gorath, where he'd infinite you, then chaos dimension, guardbreak, infinite, chaos dimension....

NKI 02-03-2005 06:05 PM

Unfortunately we really have to harass Chikyuu to get him to play. He thinks that he sucks, but he's really not bad...he just chooses crappy characters. :sad: But even using BH/Cable/SonSon, Chikyuu can take games from Takayuki's MSP.

I kind of agree that Mitsu's Iron Man is basically his whole team. His Storm is OK, and his Cable is pretty good, but Iron Man does most of the work.

I haven't played against any Shumas yet, but I did play about 20 in a row against a guy who used Psylocke/Storm/Tron, in that order. His Storm wasn't that great, and he really only seemed to use her for her alpha assist(!!!), but his Psylocke was pretty good. He had plenty of wacky cross-ups and lures with her. Half the time I didn't even know what I was getting hit by, and the next thing I knew, I saw Butterflies into Hailstorm, GGPO. I use Mag/Storm/Sent, but that guy ran me for about 10 straight matches before I started winning some... :confused:


-Nicholai!

shortshortsuper 02-03-2005 06:33 PM

if you're looking for book stores....there's a 7 (8?) story tower in Akihabara called "Shosen Book Tower" and it's very near the train station....that's where I got all my video game mooks, etc.

there are more but I can't think of any of the top of my head...:(

NKI 02-04-2005 11:49 PM

More arcade (Shinjuku) - Super Turbo
Tonight I got rocked harder than I've ever been rocked in my ST career. It was by the same guy I've mentioned before; the guy who I capped playing Balrog vs. the random Ryu and Deejay two and a half years ago, and the same guy who has a wicked Honda. Tonight he busted out O.Balrog (boxer), and I literally had no clue what to do against him. I think Chun does just fine against N.Balrog, mostly because she can keep him away with fireballs and lightning kicks, but O.Rog's dash punch and st.Fierce will trade with lightning kicks, and Chun loses on both of those trades. Once I realized I couldn't use lightning kicks at all, I tried to just keep him out with fireballs, but then he would use the rush punch to trade with my fireballs as well, and Chun hella loses in that trade, so I couldn't do fireballs anymore. I tried finding some normals that would beat his rush, but the best I could do was trade, and lose in doing so.

I think I played him about 10 games or so, and I only won a single round the whole time, and even that was down to the last pixel. The remaining 20 rounds were complete blow-outs. :confused:

I would need to play him a little bit more to be sure, but I think that O.Rog just might be one of Chun's worst matches...


-Nicholai!

JumpsuitJesse 02-05-2005 11:11 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
More arcade (Shinjuku) - Super Turbo
Tonight I got rocked harder than I've ever been rocked in my ST career. It was by the same guy I've mentioned before; the guy who I capped playing Balrog vs. the random Ryu and Deejay two and a half years ago, and the same guy who has a wicked Honda. Tonight he busted out O.Balrog (boxer), and I literally had no clue what to do against him. I think Chun does just fine against N.Balrog, mostly because she can keep him away with fireballs and lightning kicks, but O.Rog's dash punch and st.Fierce will trade with lightning kicks, and Chun loses on both of those trades. Once I realized I couldn't use lightning kicks at all, I tried to just keep him out with fireballs, but then he would use the rush punch to trade with my fireballs as well, and Chun hella loses in that trade, so I couldn't do fireballs anymore. I tried finding some normals that would beat his rush, but the best I could do was trade, and lose in doing so.

I think I played him about 10 games or so, and I only won a single round the whole time, and even that was down to the last pixel. The remaining 20 rounds were complete blow-outs. :confused:

I would need to play him a little bit more to be sure, but I think that O.Rog just might be one of Chun's worst matches...


-Nicholai!


Ouch! Way to take a beating there, eh NKI?

I wonder how old Rog does against Sim? Almost nobody over here uses OG Rog on ST so I never knew he could give Chun such a tough fight.

How are the girls dressing over there??

ruin- 02-06-2005 04:13 PM

So NKI would u go to a bape store and send me the shoes here? I'll paypal u the money and a lil something extra! D=

NKI 02-06-2005 11:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpsuitJesse
Almost nobody over here uses OG Rog on ST so I never knew he could give Chun such a tough fight.
That was the first time I had ever played against an O.Rog too, so I was totally clueless. :confused: I could be wrong, but he seemed to be doing a lot more damage than N.Rog as well.

Quote:
How are the girls dressing over there??
SLUTTY.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ruin-
So NKI would u go to a bape store and send me the shoes here? I'll paypal u the money and a lil something extra! D=
If you can afford it, I don't mind sending to you. They have a store in Harajuku, and it's always fun to go there anyway. Just let me know exactly what you want (shoe size, and pic would be helpful unless they only make one style of shoe), and I'll get back to you with a price.


-Nicholai!

Iron Z 02-06-2005 11:23 PM

Arcades in Japan are fun, i love the networked play they have. Although if you are on the boss stage with a "fun" character and someone challenges you with a hardcore character and you lose your credit...it can suck :xeye:

Ive played arcades in Tokyo and Ishigaki (southern island), and the standard varies a lot...even if you are "ok" you wont get annihilated all the time unless you are unlucky.

SSF2 Turbo, Capcom vs SNK2, some Alpha3 and KoF seem to be big over there when i was last there in October.

Most times i was playing in an arcade was after many Sapporos and Asahis, on the way back from bars or at 10pmish after going out to dinner after work (I spent a summer doing Brand Management in Shinjuku). I dont know if this was a popular time or not...the arcades werent empty but there were never crowds around matches. I usually had the blessing/curse of alcohol...you fluff moves, but you play with big cojones :karate:

I really dont like a lot of the Japanese sticks, especially the KoF ones. the sticks are really short, and loose, the buttons arent springy, and it can be hard as hell to pull of easy motions . But that could be just because the ones i played were in poor condition.

Tip: never play Virtua Fighter 4 in Japan. you will lose...badly :wow:

Another tip: they set the difficulty on the KoF machines to ****ing silly levels.

ruin- 02-07-2005 12:31 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
If you can afford it, I don't mind sending to you. They have a store in Harajuku, and it's always fun to go there anyway. Just let me know exactly what you want (shoe size, and pic would be helpful unless they only make one style of shoe), and I'll get back to you with a price.


-Nicholai!



Wow you're the shit yeah I'm sure i can afford em i got 2 real pairs already but i heard they're still cheaper there. D=

Aight mang

Bapesta Force 1 Low (black / grey patent leathers / ape) Bapesta Force 1 Low (navy / red / white)


Both in size 11.5 or 12 perferably 12


i <3 you :D


I have pics but it wontlead me Upload em here o_O do you have a email icould send em too? thx again

ramza34 02-07-2005 02:33 AM

try imageshack.us and post the link, wanna see those pics^_^. Hey, NKI if its alrite with you could I join in on this too???

JumpsuitJesse 02-07-2005 03:18 AM

If you see Daigo tell him that he is famous over here. Be sure to show him THIS MADNESS!!! :clap:

randomgamer 02-07-2005 10:45 AM

That is seriously classic.

:tup: to whoever made that.

Thongboy Bebop 02-07-2005 11:31 AM

Oy, see if they have any shoes in a US size 17. No, really.

N

popoblo 02-07-2005 12:09 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpsuitJesse
If you see Daigo tell him that he is famous over here. Be sure to show him THIS MADNESS!!! :clap:


my life is now complete.

Yasser 02-07-2005 06:17 PM

first of all, i haven't posted in this thread before so hi! secondly, could you pictures of any random and bizarre vending machines? i hear you can get anything from energy drinks (to be taken before a lil hanky panky) to underwear

Eric J 02-07-2005 07:59 PM

http://www.engrish.com/ Funny site. Check it out if you didn't know about it. Yasser check some drinks here

Yasser 02-07-2005 08:16 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric J
http://www.engrish.com/ Funny site. Check it out if you didn't know about it. Yasser check some drinks here


lmfao, the names alone are brilliant! "B.J Coffee" alone has made my day!

Golden_Gunman 02-07-2005 10:20 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpsuitJesse
If you see Daigo tell him that he is famous over here. Be sure to show him THIS MADNESS!!! :clap:


ROFL. Tha made me laugh so hard my sides are hurting. Next you have to do the Umezono vs 770 parry where he does the tachi gigas after the 8'th parry :devil:

NKI 02-07-2005 10:33 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thongboy Bebop
Oy, see if they have any shoes in a US size 17. No, really.
Whoa...I'll ask, but I seriously doubt it...because Japanese people don't get that big.
:confused:


-Nicholai!

Hanzo_Hasashi 02-08-2005 01:35 AM

Quote:
Two years ago when I came to Japan for the first time, I taped and uploaded about 14 matches of a pretty good Balrog vs. a random Ryu and Deejay...


To NKI, I was curious if these matches were the ones hosted at old cornertrap.com. Also there were a lot of a good ken against some vega, dee jay, ken, guile and dhalsim players.... it was you too? Also, would you tape some ST matches? It has been a long time since I dont see good ST japan matches 8aside from the EVO ones).

THX say hi to rKf if you see him! :tup: (if you know him....)

Kyrdu 02-08-2005 01:42 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
SLUTTY.


Requesting many many pictures.

Thongboy Bebop 02-08-2005 02:13 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Whoa...I'll ask, but I seriously doubt it...because Japanese people don't get that big.
:confused:


-Nicholai!

That's why they love us negroes.

N - Thoroughly.

NKI 02-08-2005 01:34 PM

Hanzo_Hasashi - yes, those were the matches that I capped. The Ken player was actually not the same guy who was playing Balrog, which is why I didn't mention him. Unfortunately I can't record any matches because I didn't bring my camcorder with me.

Kyrdu - there are already plenty of pictures available online, and I prefer not to be that creepy foreigner on the street who takes pictures of all the girls...:confused:

Thongboy Bizzlebozzle - they love you because they are terrified of you.


-Nicholai!

ruin- 02-08-2005 02:10 PM

nki any update on them kicks? :]

AkumaTX 02-08-2005 02:29 PM

can we ship this guy a camcoder or lend him one?

T-Kimura 02-08-2005 08:35 PM

rofl you guys are asking nki to do too much

popo187 02-09-2005 02:10 PM

NKI what camera do you use? thx

gbursine 02-09-2005 02:20 PM

NKI, have you seen any Vampire savior pple?

NKI 02-10-2005 12:47 AM

popo187 - I haven't seen my camera since MWC2004, so honestly I can't remember...:confused:
All I remember is that it's the exact same one Shirts has.

gbursine - yeah, they play every Friday at More, but I have no clue whatsoever about any of those games, so I never watch.


-Nicholai!

Iron Z 02-10-2005 06:25 AM

btw - where are you in Tokyo NKI?

Have you ever been out to Iidabashi? Thats where I stayed for a couple of months (company paid accomodation :clap: ). The best arcades were in Electric Town; is that where you go? I remember one place had the full SSF2 Tournament Battle setup...you NEVER see that anymore.

NKI 02-11-2005 12:44 PM

I live in a tiny little residential area called Hakusan, which even most Japanese people have never heard of. It's about a 20-minute walk from the Sugamo JR station.

I've been out to Iidabashi a few times, but the only place I ever play is More arcade in Shinjuku.

And yeah, I have never seen the SSF2 Tournament Battle set-up. When SSF2 was being played, I was still in diapers.


-Nicholai!

NKI 02-12-2005 12:03 AM

More arcade (Shinjuku) - Super Turbo

I finally had a little chat with that guy who has the disgusting Rog and Honda, so instead of referring to him as "the guy who owns fools with Rog", I will now call him by his name, Tama. He's actually on one of the X-MANIA DVDs (sorry, can't remember which one), in case you want to see more matches of his. He was playing some random characters tonight, so I requested the juice (Balrog), and he went on a terror streak that was twenty-something games long where fools were struggling to even win a round against him.

I think one of the main reasons he is so good is because he always has everything charged. If he does the kick rush, he does it as [charge D/B, D/F+kick] so that if necessary, he can immediately do a Bull Charge/throw guessing game. If he does Bull Charge, he will do it as [charge D/B, U/B+punch] so that he can do a rush (or super) immediately afterwards.

Another thing he is really good at is trading. There are some matches where Rog wins primarily by trading. Probably the best example of this is against Chun. If Rog just trades with at least every other hit, he will win because he does almost double the damage Chun does with her fireballs and normals.

What really can own people hard though is cr.Jab x2 guessing games. It sounds really stupid on paper, but it works. Any time he gets the opportunity, from just a half a step away (to stay out of your throw range) he will do cr.Jab x2 followed by either a throw or a Jab Bull Charge. Believe it or not, against most characters, the Jab Bull Charge is completely safe because if they block it, it's towards the end of the Bull Charge animation, so Rog will land in time to safely block. Also, if he has meter, instead of Jab Bull Charge, he can do walking super, which is hella intimidating. Basically because Rog recovers so fast from his cr.Jab, and because you can input commands pretty slowly in ST, he can do cr.Jab x2, take a blatant step forward, then super. You'll be absolutely sure he's coming in for the throw, then you eat the super for 50%.

I asked him if there are any tourneys coming up for ST, and he said there's a big one in March, but it's in Nagoya, which is not close to Tokyo, so he prolly can't go (and I definitely can't). He asked me why I requested him to play Rog, and when I explained that I was that guy two years ago who asked if I could tape his Rog, it all came back to him. 'Cause in Japan it's not very often that some random cracker-ass cracker asks you a question like that.


-Nicholai!

AssassiNate 02-12-2005 12:25 AM

Quote:
Oy, see if they have any shoes in a US size 17. No, really.


I feel for you, man. Where's the love for the big feet?? I only wear a size 15, but it's so hard to find a decent pair of shoes out here. Not only is the size hard to find, but I have completely flat feet, which are very wide too. Do you ever order shoes online, and if so where from?

Quote:
If you see Daigo tell him that he is famous over here. Be sure to show him THIS MADNESS!!!


LOL, made my day. :clap: :tup:

Someone, X-Mania? I'm unfamiliar with this. Thanks.

Saotome Kaneda 02-12-2005 12:26 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
'Cause in Japan it's not very often that some random cracker-ass cracker asks you a question like that.


Quoted simply because I haven't heard "Cracker-ass Cracker" used so properly in years. Good shit NKI, I damn near did a spit-take when I read that. =p

ramza34 02-12-2005 03:23 AM

haha, I hear cracka-ass cracka everyday by my friend at work, everytime someone walks out w/o buying a game :pleased:

popo187 02-12-2005 05:22 AM

NKI you should ask him to come to evolution for CASH PRIZE!!


btw as clairification since i hear different things, what's up with the japanese and their bad teeth?

!(_)! 02-12-2005 07:33 AM

I thought Nagoya was only like 30 minutes outside of Tokyo? Like a suburb?

ThyAllMighty 02-12-2005 11:26 AM

they don't give a FUUUUUUCKKKKKKKK about dental care

NKI 02-12-2005 10:09 PM

AssassiNate - X-MANIA is a huge Super Turbo tourney that is held yearly(?), and they have put out some fancy tournament DVDs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by !(_)!
I thought Nagoya was only like 30 minutes outside of Tokyo? Like a suburb?
Nagoya is 366 kilometers (about 227 miles) from Tokyo, so it takes a considerable amount of time and money to get there. :sad:

Quote:
Originally Posted by popo187
NKI you should ask him to come to evolution for CASH PRIZE!!
Actually, I am going to invite him to come. I think he would do really well, especially considering that he can play so many characters so well.

Quote:
btw as clairification since i hear different things, what's up with the japanese and their bad teeth?
In Japan, "average" teeth are really not very straight, and "bad" teeth would be considered pretty grotesque by most Americans.

One time when a Japanese friend was spending the night, I came out of the bathroom flossing, and he straight up asked me, "What are you doing to your mouth?" :confused:


-Nicholai!

ToXY 02-13-2005 12:38 AM

the girls would care about their teeth though wouldnt they? i couldnt really imagine a chick walkin around with rotten teeth. :xeye:

NKI 02-13-2005 01:09 AM

ToXY - you'd be surprised. You could pose a similar question saying that surely American girls wouldn't be fat because they care about how they look, yet here we are. In Japan, having crooked and/or protruding and/or buck and/or missing and/or double teeth is so common that it's normal, so girls probably feel there's no need to fix what isn't broken.

At least that's what I think, but I'm just one guy talking.

All I know is that girls have messed up grills too.


-Nicholai!

AssassiNate 02-13-2005 01:49 AM

Maybe we should send over some tapes of those old commercials with the old dinosaur teaching the little kid dinosaurs about brushing and flossing. :tup: Anyone remember those?

popo187 02-13-2005 06:47 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
In Japan, "average" teeth are really not very straight, and "bad" teeth would be considered pretty grotesque by most Americans.

One time when a Japanese friend was spending the night, I came out of the bathroom flossing, and he straight up asked me, "What are you doing to your mouth?" :confused:


-Nicholai!


god damn i laughed hard at that one. if you happen to see mester somewhere somehow, you should see him smile, it's like :E

SilverGear 02-14-2005 09:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
ToXY - you'd be surprised. You could pose a similar question saying that surely American girls wouldn't be fat because they care about how they look, yet here we are. In Japan, having crooked and/or protruding and/or buck and/or missing and/or double teeth is so common that it's normal, so girls probably feel there's no need to fix what isn't broken.

At least that's what I think, but I'm just one guy talking.

All I know is that girls have messed up grills too.


-Nicholai!



That's horrifying! I mean, I have slighty crooked teeth, but at least I take good care of them on a daily basis.

I originally had plans to go over there for leisure purposes, but now it looks like I'll have to go over there as a dental hygiene missionary. Those poor souls. :shake:

NKI 02-15-2005 12:17 AM

Way back when, I posted about "Fists of Fire", the Jackie Chan fighting game that just may be the worst fighting game ever. I went back to Try arcade and took two short videos of it, but unfortunately I don't have any place to host them at the moment.

Anyone with 5 megs of web space to spare, hit me up.


-Nicholai!

T-Kimura 02-15-2005 01:44 AM

just upload it to www.yousendit.com

bender mark2 02-15-2005 02:41 AM

If you want to talk about japs having crooked teeth I could talk about yanks mostly being fat.

Yep, generalising is fun isn't it
Although america being the most obese nation on earth is actually a fact.

btw, do you jap fanbois do anything constructive over there or do you just sit in arcades all day wasting your life?

griml0ck 02-15-2005 05:00 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by bender mark2
If you want to talk about japs having crooked teeth I could talk about yanks mostly being fat.

Yep, generalising is fun isn't it
Although america being the most obese nation on earth is actually a fact.

btw, do you jap fanbois do anything constructive over there or do you just sit in arcades all day wasting your life?



Aww, i think you hurt this guys feelings. :lame:

Knubbe 02-15-2005 06:14 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by bender mark2
If you want to talk about japs having crooked teeth I could talk about yanks mostly being fat.

Yep, generalising is fun isn't it
Although america being the most obese nation on earth is actually a fact.

btw, do you jap fanbois do anything constructive over there or do you just sit in arcades all day wasting your life?


Not for long. Australia is catching up :clap:

popo187 02-15-2005 01:34 PM

hey NKI, i have a ST question I have longed to find the answer, either everyone knows, or no one knows.. does ryu's red fireball and normal fireball have any difference aside from chip dmg? i can't see the difference in speeds, recovery, or anything, maybe you can bring this question to a forlonged close @_@.

RushDown178 02-15-2005 02:29 PM

iirc, red fireball is instant.

State of Nature 02-15-2005 02:34 PM

Yeah, people over here don`t pay much attention to their teeth. You get used to it though. Actually, snaggle teeth (like, the canines protrude a bit, like Jewel) are considered to be cute on girls, and I can see that.

NKI 02-15-2005 03:06 PM

popo187 - the red fireball has different hit animation and will knock over from close range. Other than that, I don't know of any difference, but then again I'm not a Ryu player.

And for the record, I do absolutely nothing constructive over here in Japan. I play video games in the arcade for 14 hours each day, only to come home and post exaggerated generalizations on SRK, and afterwards I cry myself to sleep because I want so badly to be Japanese.

Just wanted to clear that up.


-Nicholai!

ramza34 02-15-2005 03:35 PM

NKI= Bape inspector #1 :party:

hah, jk man don't put yourself down that much...honestly, this is the best thread on SRK, IMO. Keep doin what you doin, its fun to read :clap:

omni 02-15-2005 03:55 PM

Red comes out a few frames slower, knocks down and has more recovery. When in doubt, throw red.

/me huggles NKI

Derek

NKI 02-15-2005 09:24 PM

ramza34 - I was joking...:confused:

omni - you coming over here or what? Team White Boy would tear up.


-Nick

SilverGear 02-15-2005 10:07 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by State of Nature
Actually, snaggle teeth (like, the canines protrude a bit, like Jewel) are considered to be cute on girls, and I can see that.


I'll admitt I think the protruding canines are kinda cute in a quirky sort of way.

Outside of that though I want a decent looking grill. I mean at least brush and floss PLEASE!

popo187 02-16-2005 12:29 AM

thanks, now for some kurahashi gairu strats ;)

eightysix 02-18-2005 11:37 AM

It was funny you guys mentioned the Japanese and bad teeth.

http://news.3yen.com/2005-02-15/bush-your-teeth-fatso/

NKI 02-18-2005 12:17 PM

Damn, that article's tact (or lack thereof) amazes me. Comparing the teeth of the Japanese to those of "diseased goats"...?

OUCH. :confused:


-Nicholai!

oriku 02-18-2005 12:48 PM

hey nki, how long will you will be staying in japan? i'll be in osaka in like 3 weeks and will probably travel to tokyo during golden week for sbo.

i wouldn't mind meeting with other english speaking sf players like you if that's ok. (i play cvs2/3s/cfj).

NKI 02-18-2005 11:03 PM

I was hoping that Tama would be up at More tonight so that I could ask him to come to Evo, but he wasn't there. There was however a girl who had a pretty good Chun in ST. I have to say, I was impressed. Anyone who can win matches at More on a Friday night gets props from me. (And because the follow-up question is inevitable, I will answer it now: no, she was not cute.)

oriku - check your PMs.


-Nicholai!

xX_Deus_Xx 02-19-2005 05:12 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
popo187 - the red fireball has different hit animation and will knock over from close range. Other than that, I don't know of any difference, but then again I'm not a Ryu player.

And for the record, I do absolutely nothing constructive over here in Japan. I play video games in the arcade for 14 hours each day, only to come home and post exaggerated generalizations on SRK, and afterwards I cry myself to sleep because I want so badly to be Japanese.

Just wanted to clear that up.


-Nicholai!


i've been wondering this for awhile. what exactly are you doing in japan? work/school/etc? are u saying you came to japan to just play video games all day? where'd you get that kinda money to spend/how do you support yourself?

SilverGear 02-19-2005 06:38 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xX_Deus_Xx
i've been wondering this for awhile. what exactly are you doing in japan? work/school/etc? are u saying you came to japan to just play video games all day? where'd you get that kinda money to spend/how do you support yourself?


Heh, that post you quoted was sarcasm in response to bender mark2's snide remark.

NKI doesn't really sit at the arcade for 14 hours a day playing ST matches.

NKI 02-19-2005 11:40 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by xX_Deus_Xx
i've been wondering this for awhile. what exactly are you doing in japan? work/school/etc? are u saying you came to japan to just play video games all day? where'd you get that kinda money to spend/how do you support yourself?
I was actually joking when I said that...

For the real record (sarcasm aside), I am a study abroad student. I came to Japan in order to get better at Japanese, so I attend classes 5 days per week. I only go to the arcade maybe once per week for about two hours or so. I can afford to live here because I received a rather large scholarship, and I do part-time private English tutoring.

Hope that clears things up...


-Nicholai!

blazed 02-19-2005 02:03 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
I was actually joking when I said that...

and I do part-time private English tutoring.

-Nicholai!


By any chance does this tutoring involve cute Japanese girls? C'mon you know you set yourself up for that one ^-^

-BlazeD

EDIT: When and IF I get my server working NKI I'll host your site. Vids would be through CV though.

Saotome Kaneda 02-19-2005 05:21 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by blazed
By any chance does this tutoring involve cute Japanese girls? C'mon you know you set yourself up for that one ^-^

-BlazeD

Until he has a page like Az, no he's obviously not putting some cultural diversity into cute JPN girls.

NKI 02-19-2005 10:53 PM

BlazeD - it involves a whole lot of amazingly average-looking girls. :sad:

Alpha Station arcade (Shin-Ookubo) - MvC2
Today I went to Alpha Station just to play a quick game or two of Marvel, but to my surprise the entire Marvel crew was there playing. We all went out for dinner, and while we were chatting I asked if anyone is planning on going to Evo. They said that actually several of them (including Mitsu) are trying to go, so maybe this year we will finally see Mitsu vs. Justin. Also, they said that they really like Xecutioner, not just because he's dope at Marvel, but because they think he's really cool. So there you go, X...even the Japs give you props. :tup:

To my surprise, they said that they think Mag/Storm/Sent is a weak team that can't win. I'll agree that it's not the best team in the game, and it suffers from not having good anti-air, but I dunno if I'd call it a weak team. Thoughts?


-Nicholai!

Dark Strider 02-21-2005 02:44 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris F
NKI:
some guy had a ridiculously good Shuma Gorath, where he'd infinite you, then chaos dimension, guardbreak, infinite, chaos dimension....



.....what? Insanity.

Dark Strider 02-21-2005 03:25 AM

I'd have to say, that Magz/Storm/Sent has the advantage of having the 3 best characters in one team...but no solid anti-air. That's a must in high level play, IMO. Sometimes you just really need someone to get off your back, and to give yourself some breathing room to either runaway more(if thats your play style...but seriously, if your still playing-wait for jump in-anti air with Capcom-jump back with fierce like it's 2001, give it up) or set up a combo/mixup/whatever.

There's something about MSS thats just overall boring to me too...I don't know what it is. I'd much rather play Row, Combofiend orTeam God anyday. Just my two cents.

Hey NKI, have you seen any Jugg users in XvSF?

Cancelling out his normals to command grab is too good.

SilverGear 02-21-2005 04:59 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI

Alpha Station arcade (Shin-Ookubo) - MvC2
Also, they said that they really like Xecutioner, not just because he's dope at Marvel, but because they think he's really cool. So there you go, X...even the Japs give you props. :tup:


-Nicholai!


Haha, X deserves his props, he's one hell of a cool guy.



BTW NKI, by any chance can you recall what the Shuma infinite consisted of? I'm a casual MvC2 player (never felt confident enough to play competitive) and I'd love to have something to tinker around with. :bgrin:

NKI 02-21-2005 02:14 PM

Dark Strider - There's just a handful of people who play XSF seriously, and even they don't get together regularly, so outside of vids, I've never seen a Juggs player. I've never even seen XSF in the arcade aside from the one time I played with ozy and Huger in Yokohama...

SilverGear - that was actually Chris F who posted that, not me. I haven't seen the crazy Shuma player, so I'm not sure what the infinite is.

In unrelated news, Mopreme and I tried to qualify for SBO's 3rd Strike team tourney, despite the fact that I have practically never played 3S before. My one-day Chun got peaced out pretty hard, but Mopreme held it down and got us to the second round at least. The highlight though was seeing this Oro player who would "power up" by downing an energy drink before every fight, and he would talk mad shit hella loud, which his completely unheard-of in Japan. Too bad he got peaced out first round. I wanted to see more of that action...


-Nicholai!

bellreisa 02-21-2005 02:47 PM

POWAA APPU! ... janakute.

Just wanted to say your thread always amuses me, keep up the good work.

ramza34 02-21-2005 03:02 PM

Ha, NKI so how many people did that Oro get to peace out?

Luckychrono777 02-21-2005 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ramza34
Ha, NKI so how many people did that Oro get to peace out?


uh......read it again.

NKI 02-21-2005 04:49 PM

His team lost first round, but the ironic thing is, he actually didn't "power up" before that particular match, so maybe that's why he lost...? :confused:


-Nicholai!

SilverGear 02-21-2005 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NKI
SilverGear - that was actually Chris F who posted that, not me. I haven't seen the crazy Shuma player, so I'm not sure what the infinite is.


Blegh. Sorry. I'm a retard.

Quote:
The highlight though was seeing this Oro player who would "power up" by downing an energy drink before every fight, and he would talk mad shit hella loud, which his completely unheard-of in Japan. Too bad he got peaced out first round. I wanted to see more of that action...


-Nicholai!


LOL we need someone like that to come to Evo. :clap:

EDIT: I love your signature. That classic question has screwed over so many people.

polarity 02-21-2005 10:04 PM

Random questions for you, NKI, though I dunno if you'll know the answers:

How much does the FG scene relate to the anime scene? Are the FG scene seen as otaku by outsiders/"normal" people? Of the people you see at the arcades playing FGs, how many would be seen as geeks/obsessives? How about all of the above for other genres?

Thanks

NKI 02-22-2005 02:40 PM

polarity - simply going to the arcade and playing video games does not make you a nerd in Japan. It's relatively common here, so you really have to go that extra step. Maybe if going to the arcade is the only reason you ever leave your house, you might be considered nerdy.

Most of the people at the arcade seem relatively normal. There are a few stereotypical dorks/nerds, but the majority don't have any outstanding features.

I have no idea about otaku standards for manga because I'm not into it at all, but I know that it is really common, and I see people reading manga every day, no matter where I go.


-Nicholai!

Saotome Kaneda 02-22-2005 03:47 PM

-Random Note-

Since NKI decided to post his, I'll post mine. I went for SBO quals last Sunday, got peaced out in the second round by arguably the best Marduk I've ever seen(possibly the best Marduk on Oki?), but he got peaced out by this stupid df+1,1 whoring Christie. Everybody groaned at that. If I had beat that Craig, I'd've been golden for the finals.

GODDAMN SCRUBBY CHRISTIE

Scamp 02-22-2005 04:45 PM

Hmmm....maybe I should whore the df+1,1 more with my Christie. Thanks for the tip, SK! :)

polarity 02-22-2005 07:57 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
polarity - simply going to the arcade and playing video games does not make you a nerd in Japan. It's relatively common here, so you really have to go that extra step. Maybe if going to the arcade is the only reason you ever leave your house, you might be considered nerdy.

Most of the people at the arcade seem relatively normal. There are a few stereotypical dorks/nerds, but the majority don't have any outstanding features.

I have no idea about otaku standards for manga because I'm not into it at all, but I know that it is really common, and I see people reading manga every day, no matter where I go.


-Nicholai!


Well it's nice to know there's mostly normal people there, heh. It just always seemed kind of odd to me that the fighter and anime scenes didn't mix more, they seem kind of fit for each other is all, and I thought it might be more common in Japan.

I believe anime is considered a lot more "otaku" than manga, because most anime is aimed at teenagers whereas there's manga for all social groups.

NKI 02-24-2005 01:06 AM

More arcade (Shinjuku) - Super Turbo
I am utterly convinced that More Vega really does live at More, and he sleeps on the floor next to the ST cabinet. He never leaves...ever.

Anyway, tonight I played against this Honda who at first appeared to be really good. He was owning me with the craziest things I had never seen before. For example, after knocking me down in the corner with the butt slam, he walked right up in my face as I was getting up, then he did jump straight up Forward (or maybe it was Short), and I thought "Yay, free upkicks", but for some reason, my upkicks went straight through him, he landed, then punished. It happened every time he did it, so I just started air throwing instead.

He also did the most disgusting mix up ever, but I think it may have been a fluke. He got me in the corner with ooichou (the command throw), then as I was getting up, he somehow managed to seemingly teleport into the corner for the cross-up, then nail me with st.RH (two hits) for the guaranteed dizzy. It was literally like a teleport, and I have not been able to recreate it on Kawaks, so I think it may have been some kind of glitch. He only did it that one time too, so probably not something he had control over.

His highlight of the night though was against another Honda player. He was in the corner, and his opponent did a Fierce headbutt. He jumped back as the headbutt was coming so that it went under him, and he got a free cross-up j.RH, st.Jab, st.Strong, st.Fierce, dizzy, GGPO. That combo is the juice...I dunno why, but I've always loved it.

Anyway, the reason I said he appeared to be good is because as I played him a couple of games, I started to notice that there were certain really, REALLY basic Honda things that he didn't know. For one thing, he loved doing the super, which should almost never be done. He would do it against shotos, and of course they would DP him for free between headbutts, and he even did it to me (as Chun) when I had meter, so of course I took my free retaliation super + upkicks for over 60% damage. That's stuff that you learn in Elementary Introduction to Honda 101...

So the jury is still out on whether or not this guy has a good Honda. I'll say he's the master of shenanigans and trickery, but I dunno if I'll give him much more than that...


-Nicholai!

Tricky AB 02-24-2005 09:36 AM

This thread is great...thanks for keeping us updated :pleased:

popo187 02-24-2005 12:23 PM

lol that honda guy is funny, could you tell us about any top guiles (ST) in japan (kurahashi?) and how they play? I'd really like to know, thanks.

Eric J 02-24-2005 01:43 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by polarity
Well it's nice to know there's mostly normal people there, heh. It just always seemed kind of odd to me that the fighter and anime scenes didn't mix more, they seem kind of fit for each other is all, and I thought it might be more common in Japan.

I believe anime is considered a lot more "otaku" than manga, because most anime is aimed at teenagers whereas there's manga for all social groups.


well the word "otaku" is not just related to anime/manga or video games, it applies to people that are a little excessively hooked to something, like a car otaku, computer otaku, etc etc. but in japan I guess it is so common to associate otaku with anime. Actually the game and anime scenes do mix a lot. However, yeah it is cool to see a mix of people in the arcades from businessmen to couples and the hardcore players.

NKI 02-24-2005 11:19 PM

popo187: Most of the top Guile players simply out turtle everyone, then punish when the opponent gets impatient. They are so good at throwing Sonic Booms that they can even keep up with O.Sagat a good amount of the time.

If they knock you down with a Flash Kick, they will usually go for ambiguous cross-up j.Short, cr.Strong xx Flash Kick, which will usually dizzy, but if it doesn't, they can just repeat with another ambiguous cross-up j.Short. If you block the cross-up j.Short correctly, they will do cr.Strong, cr.Strong xx Sonic Boom, which is 100% safe.. If they have meter, ambiguous cross-up j.Short, cr.Short->cr.Short xx super, which does ungodly amounts of damage.

The main reason they win is from their amazing defense and patience.


-Nicholai!

popo187 02-25-2005 08:44 AM

Interesting it makes sense since guile doesn't have many options other then to play the patience game.

Another Q: Now that Tekken5 is out in japan, how would the popularity curve change from the old XX/VF4 being on top?

NKI 02-25-2005 11:27 AM

You can check out the top arcade games every month on the front page of Arcadia's website. If you can't read Japanese, Tekken 5 is the only game with a "5" in the name. It's #1 for March.


-Nicholai!

Augmint 02-25-2005 03:28 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
BlazeD - it involves a whole lot of amazingly average-looking girls. :sad:

Alpha Station arcade (Shin-Ookubo) - MvC2
Today I went to Alpha Station just to play a quick game or two of Marvel, but to my surprise the entire Marvel crew was there playing. We all went out for dinner, and while we were chatting I asked if anyone is planning on going to Evo. They said that actually several of them (including Mitsu) are trying to go, so maybe this year we will finally see Mitsu vs. Justin. Also, they said that they really like Xecutioner, not just because he's dope at Marvel, but because they think he's really cool. So there you go, X...even the Japs give you props. :tup:

To my surprise, they said that they think Mag/Storm/Sent is a weak team that can't win. I'll agree that it's not the best team in the game, and it suffers from not having good anti-air, but I dunno if I'd call it a weak team. Thoughts?


-Nicholai!


Preppy has hosted alot of seattle vids - Jmar uses MSS. I think they'll change their minds ( at least about it being weak - drones are really versatile).

Are their many sentinel players in japan? (with Taka and mitsu using non - sent teams)
And have you seen anymore of the Ruby heart player you mentioned using Ruby Heart/Magneto/Ironman? (sidenote - its got a one hit kill combo! :wow: ) and is Ruby Heart semi popular?

popo187 02-25-2005 04:58 PM

thanks for clairification NKI... lol http://www.tougeki.com/result/cfj/0...ame41_area.html

NKI 02-26-2005 12:04 AM

What makes it even stranger is that Takayuki uses MSS sometimes too, but he's one of the people who said that it's weak. Aside from him, there are a few other people who use Sent, and they are up to par with their stomping.

Last time we got together, I did get to play a really tough Ruby Heart who did some crazy lock down with her, uh...what's it called...that move that comes up out of the ground and creates kind of a wall in front of her...that thing, plus Doom rocks. Also if he messed up a combo into her ball super, he would do crazy cross-ups with it, and usually people would end up getting hit. He played a different team (Ruby/Doom/someone else, maybe Storm), but it may have been the same guy. It was definitely the best Ruby Heart I've ever seen.

But then again, it's also the only Ruby Heart I've ever seen...


-Nicholai!

Ouroborus 02-26-2005 12:23 AM

thats the old ass trap viscant found back in the days. it goes something like trip into blue pillar + dooms AAA and repeat doesnt it?

he'd storm is second since ruby can DHC into hailstorm off her instant ball super.

NKI 02-26-2005 01:58 AM

Leave it to the Japanese to bust out the dinosaur MvC2 strats (and leave it to me to lose to said strats).

I also played against an Iceman yesterday, which was the first time in about four years.


-Nicholai!

KnowSkillz 02-26-2005 02:23 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by popo187
thanks for clairification NKI... lol http://www.tougeki.com/result/cfj/0...ame41_area.html


lol wth, that was random

Eric J 02-26-2005 12:13 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
What makes it even stranger is that Takayuki uses MSS sometimes too, but he's one of the people who said that it's weak. Aside from him, there are a few other people who use Sent, and they are up to par with their stomping.

Last time we got together, I did get to play a really tough Ruby Heart who did some crazy lock down with her, uh...what's it called...that move that comes up out of the ground and creates kind of a wall in front of her...that thing, plus Doom rocks. Also if he messed up a combo into her ball super, he would do crazy cross-ups with it, and usually people would end up getting hit. He played a different team (Ruby/Doom/someone else, maybe Storm), but it may have been the same guy. It was definitely the best Ruby Heart I've ever seen.

But then again, it's also the only Ruby Heart I've ever seen...


-Nicholai!



Lol if it was at Alpha Station they got that from me, I played Liquid Metal and a couple of other cats with my Ruby/Strider/Doom and Strider/Sent/Ruby they seemed pretty damn perplexed with what to do against it. Lol but I am the only Ruby Heart in the US too. On another note, Liquid Metal plays a deadly Sentinal, is he still playing MvC2 NKI?

Ouroborus 02-26-2005 07:38 PM

how do those guile players charge the sonic booms so quick?

NKI 02-26-2005 11:52 PM

Actually, I don't think I've ever seen Liquid Metal since I got here. I'm not even sure if I remember what he looks like...

The Guile players charge the next Sonic Boom before the first one even comes out. Hold back, then tap towards and immediately start charging back again, then hit punch.


-Nicholai!

popo187 03-02-2005 10:44 AM

bump :'(

Saotome Kaneda 03-02-2005 02:21 PM

A good reason to bump.

Thongboy Bebop 03-02-2005 02:23 PM

Link no worky.

N

Saotome Kaneda 03-02-2005 02:52 PM

Fixedddddd.

margalis 03-02-2005 02:56 PM

This is a couple pages back, but I'm really surprised that people don't play O.Rog more often. O.Rog is a beast. (Also one of the most underrated characters in super as well)

His dash punch is fast, does huge damage and hits duckers. What more could you ask for?

I suppose people play N.Rog for his super mostly.

abhi 03-02-2005 03:09 PM

Man I would like to go to Japan next year and wouldn't mind playing these guys, thou to be honest rather on console than arcade.

Its free and yo can play longer

NKI 03-07-2005 05:15 PM

Haven't been to the arcade in a while, so nothing new to report, but I finally got a place to host the Fists of Fury vids (the ones I mentioned a while back).

Note that about half of the cast is simply Jackie Chan wearing different colored clothes, and also note the amazingly detailed backgrounds.

Fists of Fire demo
Fists of Fire intro

Yikes!


-Nicholai!
P.S.: BlazeD (of ComboVideos.com fame) is my savior.

polarity 03-07-2005 05:44 PM

Christ, is that horrendous noise coming from the Fists of Fire cab, or is that the sound of noise from every cab in the place mashed together? I was planning on heading straight to the arcades when I go to Japan next year, but I dunno if my fragile ears can tolerate that :lol:

popo187 03-07-2005 06:21 PM

I love Jackie Chan so for him I would def. play that at least once :D

NKI 03-07-2005 11:23 PM

The noise is from all the other games. For some reason, Fists of Fury was just about the only game with demo sounds off. Maybe because the sounds and music are just as bad as the game itself? I guess we'll never know unless someone actually plays it...


-Nicholai!

danomyte 03-07-2005 11:56 PM

whats that sliver devil thing? are the japs pissed we get T5 first? =P

Saotome Kaneda 03-08-2005 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by danomyte
whats that sliver devil thing? are the japs pissed we get T5 first? =P

No, that's my Ring Name. >/

And I didn't win the region qualifier. =( I won the arcade qual... Oh well. No Tougeki for me.

polarity 03-08-2005 01:56 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
The noise is from all the other games. For some reason, Fists of Fury was just about the only game with demo sounds off. Maybe because the sounds and music are just as bad as the game itself? I guess we'll never know unless someone actually plays it...


-Nicholai!


Damn, my local arcade doesn't sound that bad, then again it's mostly DDR and slot machines, haha. I guess I'll have to get used to it.

NKI 03-10-2005 11:57 AM

OK, there seems to be a lot of confusion. "More Vega" is not who we thought he was. I've always thought it was strange that he went by "More Vega", despite the fact that claw's name is "Balrog" in the Japanese version, but people said that's just what he goes by.

Last night I watched the SBO1 ST finals, featuring More Vega vs. Daigo. The dirty dirty claw player who I often refer to is definitely not More Vega, so from now on, I will refer to him as Sky High Claw.

The real More Vega actually plays Japanese Vega (American Bison, with the Psycho Crusher), and he's really good, but he's not who we thought. He doesn't do too well against Daigo, but don't let that fool you. More Vega is good, no doubt.


-Nicholai!
P.S.: Because I know someone will ask, you can get the vid here:
http://www.planetdreamcast.com/oroc...eo/capcom.shtml

omni 03-10-2005 12:30 PM

there is an actual guy named More Vega? I always thought that was just some name 'we' came up with to describe him.

Strange....

Derek

KnownasWolf 03-10-2005 06:05 PM

NKI can you some times post little strats that you see while playing. This would be very helpful since I just started playing ST and some times it is hard to track down info. I have learned more about ST from this thread than pretty much any other. :pleased:

SilverGear 03-10-2005 10:08 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
The dirty dirty claw player who I often refer to is definitely not More Vega, so from now on, I will refer to him as Sky High Claw.

-Nicholai!


So Sky High Claw, has he ever been in any major tournaments over there?

Love the nick name you have for him BTW. LOL.



BTW I hate to do this but maybe you can help me out NKI:

My plans of visiting Japan this year are looking bad on my end for a variety of reasons and I was wondering if, one day while your out and about in the shopping district, you could possibly try and find an art book or two for me.

Naturally I'll pay for the book(s), shipping fees, and throw in something extra for you as well.

If you're up to it let me know and I'll PM you the info. If not then that's fine, figured it couldn't hurt any to ask. ^^;

Take care.

NKI 03-10-2005 11:42 PM

The truth about "More Vega" and co., straight from the horse's mouth!

Tonight at More, Sky High Claw, the real More Vega, and Tama were all up there, so I decided to get this confusion straightened out. So here it is, for the record:

There are two guys, More Vega, and More Balrog. More Vega plays Japanese Vega (American Bison, with the Psycho Crusher), and he's pretty good, but he's not the guy I've been talking about all this time.

More Balrog plays Japanese Balrog (American Vega, the claw), and Chun, and CE Guile, and he is the dirtball I've been talking about (Sky High Claw). So from now on, I will call him by his real name, More Balrog.

By the way, you can add Chun to the list of characters that Tama can dominate with. He went on something like a 10 or 15 streak against me (Chun mirror match) and one or two other guys playing various characters. I asked him if there are any characters that he can't play, and he laughed and said that he really only plays Sagat (he didn't say O.Sagat, so I'm assuming he means N.Sagat), Bison (American Balrog, the boxer), and he's been messing around with Chun just a little bit.

I asked him who he thought were Chun's toughest fights. He said Sagat and Ryu, which I agree with, and he also said Fei does well against Chun. I don't really see Fei giving her too much trouble, aside from the st.Fierce xx Chicken Wing corner trap. That can be hard to get out of.

The biggest shocker came when he said that T.Hawk does well against Chun. This is the exact opposite of what I've heard from American ST players, most all of whom say that it's one of Hawk's worst fights...almost a free win for Chun. I kinda have to agree with Tama, though. At first I thought it was just because I suck, but against Japanese T.Hawks, my win percentage is horrible...probably less than 25%. It can be a little bit hard for Hawk to get in, but once he does, Chun's options are severely limited.

KnownasWolf - if you give me a specific character match-up or specific thing that's giving you trouble, I'd be happy to help out if I can.

SilverGear - as long as it's easy to find and I don't have to travel far, I don't mind.


-Nicholai!

aks216 03-11-2005 03:57 AM

anybody know what song plays at the very beginning of the sai-rec video?

sup nick, hope you're having fun in japan.

omni 03-11-2005 08:06 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
The biggest shocker came when he said that T.Hawk does well against Chun. This is the exact opposite of what I've heard from American ST players, most all of whom say that it's one of Hawk's worst fights...almost a free win for Chun. I kinda have to agree with Tama, though. At first I thought it was just because I suck, but against Japanese T.Hawks, my win percentage is horrible...probably less than 25%. It can be a little bit hard for Hawk to get in, but once he does, Chun's options are severely limited.


Sniff. That hurts...we just got done talking about this matchup like 3 weeks ago when I said, 'yeah...thawk does pretty good against chun li for some reason'.

Derek

NKI 03-11-2005 12:53 PM

aks...now there's a name I haven't heard in a while. You are dope because you use your real initials for your nickname. That's the way to go!

omni - Don't cry! I said "most all of whom" because you are one of the very few (2 or 3) American ST player I've ever heard say Hawk does well against Chun. And I think you're right.

Lately I've been spilling all the anti-NKI strats (hope nobody has a log of #capcom from yesterday), so to add to that: if you want to beat my Chun, just choose Hawk. :sad:


-Nicholai!

KnownasWolf 03-12-2005 06:38 AM

NKI any possible tips for Guile vs Chun/Ryu :pleased:


I play Guile friend plays Chun/Ryu. He needs help with Chun since he just started playing her. And the only info we have on Chun is from the AE guide. :sad:

SilverGear 03-12-2005 07:38 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI

SilverGear - as long as it's easy to find and I don't have to travel far, I don't mind.


-Nicholai!


Thanks! They should be relatively easy to track down.

I'll send you all the info you need to know (Cover images and ISBN numbers if possible) via PM sometime soon.

Appreciate it.

BTW, from your collective of ST knowledge what would you say are T. Hawks good match-ups outside of Chun-li?

I've never really seen a good T. Hawk, and I'm curious as to what characters he has a good chance against.

Chris F 03-13-2005 07:17 AM

Omni you still using O.Hawk, old man?

omni 03-13-2005 10:41 AM

Silvergear: Hawk does well against shotos, guile, chun, bison and does really really bad against dhalsim, honda, and blanka.

Chris F - rocking old hawk to the fullest. I just like his normals a lot better then New and I suck at doing 720 in ST for some unknown reason.

Derek

NKI 03-13-2005 06:05 PM

Guile vs. Chun
The best thing to do against Guile at the beginning of the match is just walk back. The worst thing that can happen is that you block a Sonic Boom. If he tries to jump at you, use jump straight up RH or make him land on a fireball. The fireball will trade with his jumping attack, but he gets knocked down, so then it's time for D/F+RH shenanigans.

If you time your meaty D/F+RH correctly, you will safely land even if Guile does reversal Flash Kick/super, so it's 100% safe. What happens is Chun lands on the other side as Guile does the Flash Kick/super, so you end up behind him as he whiffs, then you get free walk up throw, or whatever you want.

If he wants to just throw fireballs all day, you should do the same. Your super is a lot more usable than Guile's, so both of you filling up your meter will be in your favor. It is pretty hard to hit Guile with the super (even if you go through a Sonic Boom with it), so I mainly just use it for anti-air, or to rush him down in the corner. Even if he blocks your super, you're still in decent position. You can follow up with lightning legs if you think he will try a normal, you can cr.RH if you think he will Sonic Boom, or my personal favorite, walk up throw if you think he will duck block.

If you're going to jump at Guile (which shouldn't be done a whole lot), make sure you use j.Forward. His cr.Fierce will beat your j.Short (or trade with it, and he wins that trade); he can also simply walk under you if you try to do j.Short, whereas j.Forward will cross him up if he tries that.

When you're in close, you want to try to harrass him with st.Strong a lot, and throw when you get the chance. Back off every once in a while, let him whiff a cr.Forward (which is almost always what he'll do), then continue the st.Strong melee. When you're just out of st.Strong range, do cr.RH if you think he will Sonic Boom. You will beat it cleanly. (The Sonic Boom won't even come out.)

If he jumps at you from afar, make him land on a fireball. If you don't have a charge, use st.Forward or st.Fierce, depending on how far away he is. Of course if you have meter, the best anti-air is always the super (which will ground him for all 6 hits), followed by upkicks for +60% damage. So make sure you always double-motion the super into each fireball, just in case he tries to get wise and jump over a fireball.


Guile vs. Ryu
I'm not going to pretend like I know this match really well. I have seen it a lot, but I don't play Guile, and I don't play Ryu. I would say that Guile does well against Ryu, but it's still a close match. Maybe 60-40 in Guile's favor.

Basically from afar, Ryu wants to just fireball him while making sure to be careful of Guile's j.RH, which can reach Ryu from full screen, if his hands are still extended from the Hadouken. Even if Ryu has meter though, Guile can still relatively safely do Sonic Booms from full screen. Unless the Sonic Boom and super come out at almost the exact same time, Guile will recover in time to block. The match gets interesting when they come within half-screen of each other. It comes down to the following formula:

-If Ryu throws a fireball, Guile throws a Sonic Boom, then takes free backhand (towards+Fierce).
-If Guile throws a Sonic Boom, Ryu does Hurricane Kick over it to hit Guile cleanly.
-If Guile expects the Hurrican Kick, he gets free Flash Kick, followed by ambiguous cross-up j.Short.
-If Guile tries cr.Forward, Ryu gets free cr.RH (but you have to be fast).
-If Ryu tries cr.Forward or cr.RH, Guile gets free towards+Forward (because he is off the ground). You can even do towards+RH (the upside-down kick) if you want, but you have to be faster, and it doesn't recover quite as quickly.

If you're able to do it like Daigo (nearly 100% of the time), then any time Ryu knocks down Guile, you want to go for option-select safe jump-in. The timing is pretty tight, but if you time it correctly, you can do a jumping attack which will hit Guile if he doesn't reverse, but if he reverses with Flash Kick/super, you will land in time to block. The reason this works is because the Flash Kick/super do not hit on the first couple frames, so during those frames where your jumping attack would be hitting him, his move is just starting up, and you land in time to block. If you're not able to time that consistently, just take your free block damage and do meaty Jab Hadouken, Fierce Hadouken. Or you can go for cross-up air Hurricane Kick shenanigans, which can be really confusing to defend against.

I'm sure I'm forgetting stuff, but that's all I can think of now. If you have any specific questions, just ask.


-Nicholai!

Spirited_Away 03-14-2005 04:09 AM

How refreshing old people talking ST :)

One of the reasons why Hawk is higher rated in Japan compared to the US, IMO is how they use negative edge.

I really think of negative edge execution as a key factor when using Hawk (and WW/CE/HF Gief) - it just closes the reversal special threat and with perfect execution keeps you always safe when doing tick throws.

Also the Tomahawk Buster (DP move - especially with O.Hawk) seems to beat alot of moves/specials...this is very useful cause you can mix the Tomahawk Buster and the 360 ticks again beating reversals.

Btw NKI, which Hawk does Japan prefer ? Old or New ?

NKI 03-14-2005 10:27 AM

I have never seen an O.Hawk since coming here, and if I had to take a guess why, I'd say it's because they are so good at landing the 720, and that thing does HELLA.


-Nicholai!

KnownasWolf 03-17-2005 11:57 AM

Thanks a lot for the break down NKI.

I also have a question about Vega(claw) vs Guile matchup. I play Guile and Vega is a pain. I read the previous apoc post but I would like to hear your take on the matchup and how well Guile does.

NKI 03-22-2005 08:53 PM

Oi, sorry for the lack of updates. Just got back from being out of town (went to Hiroshima, Osaka, and Kyoto for the week).

First of all, I forgot to post about the tourney I went to two weeks ago. It was an AE tourney at a little tiny arcade in Shibuya. I can't remember the name exactly because the last word was French. It's called "Fun Fun" something or other.

Anyway, they capped the entry at 16 I think, and I wasn't able to show up in time anyway, but to my surprise it was a WW Guile who took 1st. Not once did anyone throw him to death when they had the chance. Dunno why. Fools would try to get fresh, then get randomly dizzied, eat st.Jab redizzy, st.Jab redizzy, GGPO.

The whole tourney was on free play (as most Jap tourneys are), but they also had a free-play hour after the tourney. Hella more people showed up for the free-play hour than for the actual tourney, including The Beast himself. This seems like an appropriate place to dispell a myth about Daigo. Dunno how it got started, contrary to reality, a lot of people seem to think that Daigo is a top ST player in Japan. He's good, there's no doubt about that, but he gets beat by the top players, and even some not-so-top players. During the freeplay hour, he had some streaks here and there, but he was also losing to people I've never seen/heard of before, especially the ST Guile player who took 2nd place.

Also at the tourney was a Hawk player who landed more 720s than I could count. It seemed like every round ended in a Double Cyclone. He would do it off of pretty much anything (j.Jab or cr.Jab or cr.Short, etc), and he did it from the perfect range (out of the opponent's throw range). He was probably using the release method as well, because I never saw anyone reverse it.

Despite my batting average against Japanese Hawks, I did all right against him. For some reason, even when I had meter, he would do the dive over my fireballs, and I get free super if he does that. His dive will whiff, then he lands and eats the full super, grounded, plus upkicks afterwards. I did better than average, but of course he beat me the majority of the time. There's not much at all that Chun can do once Hawk gets in.

As for Guile vs. Claw, I can only offer basic advice because (again) I don't play either of those characters. It looks to me like Claw has the upper hand. I don't know what (if anything) Guile can do against that cr.Strong, but anytime you see Claw go for a wall dive (doesn't matter which side), do jump back Fierce. If he went for your wall, you will air throw him; if he went for his wall, the j.Fierce should hit him clean (do it at the peak of your jump). Don't try to Flash Kick him because if he goes to the wall and holds back, your flash kick will whiff, and he can retaliate.

You have to be really careful with your Sonic Booms because of that cr.Strong, and because Claw's jump is so fast. If he's within cr.Strong range, I would be hesitant to do a Sonic Boom at all. There's nothing wrong with blocking a lot of cr.Strongs. You're not taking any damage, and even though he's getting meter, Claw's super nothing to be afraid of. Just make sure you're out of his cr.Strong range before throwing Sonic Booms.

I know that's not the most in-depth match break-down, but if you have more specific questions about the match, just ask.


-Nicholai!

Ouroborus 03-22-2005 09:01 PM

seen any good fei or cammy players?

whos more popular? turbo ryu or st ryu?

xX_Deus_Xx 03-23-2005 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by NKI

This seems like an appropriate place to dispell a myth about Daigo. Dunno how it got started, contrary to reality, a lot of people seem to think that Daigo is a top ST player in Japan. He's good, there's no doubt about that, but he gets beat by the top players, and even some not-so-top players. During the freeplay hour, he had some streaks here and there, but he was also losing to people I've never seen/heard of before, especially the ST Guile player who took 2nd place.




so how did daigo end up winning so many sbo's? maybe alotta the japanese pros just dont care enough for it? its mind boggling to me how good these other players may be seeing as daigos taken ST at evo years in a row. i know the japanese are way better than us, but damn if daigo is just some ST scrub that can beat our best then wtf. scrub is exaggerating but hes not even their best??? then who is? im just confused is all.

Knubbe 03-23-2005 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by xX_Deus_Xx
so how did daigo end up winning so many sbo's? maybe alotta the japanese pros just dont care enough for it? its mind boggling to me how good these other players may be seeing as daigos taken ST at evo years in a row. i know the japanese are way better than us, but damn if daigo is just some ST scrub that can beat our best then wtf. scrub is exaggerating but hes not even their best??? then who is? im just confused is all.


If by "so many" you mean "one" which was a team tourney, then sure. Daigo makes it to Evo cause he takes our money in several games

ThyAllMighty 03-23-2005 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by xX_Deus_Xx
i'm so confused with daigo right now...this has blown my reality out of proportion...what am i supposed to do now


*hands xX_deus_xx a gun*

hahhahaha j/k

NKI 03-23-2005 12:02 PM

Ouroborus - More Vega has a pretty slick Fei, and so does Tama. Haven't seen many Cammy players at all. People at More definitely play ST Ryu more than HF Ryu.

Deus - Don't get me wrong, Daigo is mad good, but there are players that are much better than him, probably because he hardly ever plays ST. (I've only seen him play one time in six months.) Look at his matches in SBO...he's not exactly tearing through his opponents like he does at Evo. From what I've seen, I'd say that Tama, More Vega, More Balrog, Pony Gief, etc are considerably better than him. My personal favorite is Tama because he can play so many characters so well, and I've never seen anyone rip people apart like he does (and do it consistently).


-Nicholai!

omni 03-23-2005 01:03 PM

Regarding Daigo in ST:

Kuni told me that everyone considers Daigo one of the...masters of ST but of all the masters he is the weakest.

shrug

Derek Daniels
omni@shoryuken.com

Jake 03-23-2005 02:19 PM

Hey NKI, just curious if you've seen any jpn ST Blankas out there? If so, how do they do and what kind of strategies do you see them make use of?

Also, in your opinion from an overall standpoint, what character(s) seem to give n.sims and n.rogs the most trouble?

uppercut 03-23-2005 02:50 PM

which Ken do the japs use, just curious, and which characters give him a hard time?

danomyte 03-23-2005 02:51 PM

wow WW guile won! its 92 all over again! :razz: :lame:
but good from him since every1 says he's weaker compared to other guiles.
low tier guile power! :china:
im suprised they let WW slide since cant mirror.
How is AE doing in Japan? every1 still playing ST?
speaking about blanka what are some good Turbo Blanka tips?

omni 03-23-2005 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by uppercut
which Ken do the japs use, just curious, and which characters give him a hard time?


Japan uses almost exclusively New Characters - they like the supers (cause the can combo into them unlike the US) and the ability to tech throws is always good.

N.Ken loses all the same matchups as O.Ken IMO - Balrog, Vega, O.Sagat, Bison, Dhalsim, Ryu.

N.Ken is good and as it has been proven, almost any character can win in this game.

(note - this is all ST, I don't count AE as a 'real' game).

Derek Daniels

NKI 03-23-2005 05:39 PM

For people who want to see Jap ST action, please go here:
http://www.planetdreamcast.com/oroc...eo/capcom.shtml

Jake - there are a few Blankas here, but they seem to just be a bunch of shenanigans with j.Short and cross-up Blanka Balls. As for Sim's and Rog's hard matches, I'm not too sure because I only know Chun. When I used to play Rog, the hardest matches for me were O.Sagat, Dhalsim, Chun, Vega, and O.Ken, but that was just me. You should really ask someone who plays Rog, like Watson. I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone does "well" against Sim.

uppercut - it's really rare that I see an O.Ken. Almost everyone uses N.Ken.

danomyte - in AE, both characters can choose the same WW character. I have no idea about HF Blanka because I never played HF and I never played Blanka. All I know is that his up-ball is hella good because it hits all the way down.

omni spits the truth!


-Nicholai!

ThyAllMighty 03-23-2005 06:10 PM

hey nki, convice the japs to come and take our money at evo

Hol Horse 03-23-2005 11:09 PM

What should Sim do against Balrog(Claw), M. Bison(Gloves), Honda and Chun? I'm learning him and I have most trouble against those characters. Tips vs O. Sagat, Deejay and Vega(dictator) would be appreciated.

Jake 03-24-2005 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by NKI
As for Sim's and Rog's hard matches, I'm not too sure because I only know Chun. When I used to play Rog, the hardest matches for me were O.Sagat, Dhalsim, Chun, Vega, and O.Ken, but that was just me. You should really ask someone who plays Rog, like Watson. I could be wrong, but I don't think anyone does "well" against Sim.

-Nicholai!


I was just curious as to who you observed at the more arcade to seem to give them the most trouble not in general, if there's any difference between the two at least. Stuff like thawk giving chun trouble isn't really something that'd be said in general terms ya know?

NKI 03-24-2005 04:28 PM

Jake - at More, I don't see Sim or Rog consistently losing to any one character. Deejay, Chun, and Sim seem to do all right against Rog, but the Sim players usually have streaks going.

Hol Horse - that's quite a long list there, so I can only give you a quick run down. The best way to learn Sim is to watch those matches I posted the link to.

The basic Sim strat is to Yoga Fire, then use his long limbs to punish whatever they do to try to get around it. Throw a lot (Noogie) because he has great throw range and easy throw set-ups.

against Claw: If he tries to go off the wall, you can use the Short Slide to evade. Throw him every chance you get because you have way more throw range than he does. The only thing he can do is Flip Kick or Back Flip out, both of which are risky.

against Boxer: Throw Yoga Fires, and when he tries to jump over or Bull Charge through them, hit him with st.Fierce or st.RH. If he gets close, use D/B+Strong and D/B+RH canceled into Yoga Fire. Don't throw Yoga Fires when he has meter.

against Honda: Jump back Fierce for anti-air and anti-butt-slam. Don't try to throw him too much (Honda's command throw is too good).

against Chun: If you're close and she throws a fireball, cr.RH (slide) under it. If you're far away and she throws a fireball to cancel out your Yoga Fire, you get free st.Fierce. Don't bother with drills because her st.Jab will beat it cleanly every time. Throw her a lot. Her only good reversals (up kicks and Spinning Bird Kick) are both risky. If you tech hit her throw, you get a free reversal throw on her unless she jumps. If she jumps, punish with a limb; if she doesn't jump, take your free throw. If she has meter, don't throw a Yoga Fire from closer than 1/2 screen or so.

against O.Sagat: Stay 3/4ths the screen away, st.Fierce his high Tiger Shots, Short drill his low Tiger shots. Not much Sagat can do in this match.

against Deejay: No special tricks that I know of.

against Dictator: Drill him a lot. The only thing he can do about it is j.Strong, which is risky. Throw him a lot too. If he doesn't have meter, and you tick throw from outside of his throw range, he has no way to reverse it.

Hope that helps, but in the future please ask more specific questions. I don't have the knowledge (or the time) to type up full match breakdowns for characters.


-Nicholai!

ShinjiGohan 03-24-2005 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NKI
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and are the cades set by the companies or are they set up randomly?

I have no idea what you are asking here.
-Nicholai!


I think that he meant in the layout of the arcade. Say at any one arcade. Is there a section where you'll only see SNK arcade games. about 30 feet over you see a section that only has capcom arcade games. Or are they laid out in any ole manner.

To my question (yea yea it deals with SFEX). I heard that Tokyo is a decent Street Fighter EX series fanbase. I was wondering if that was true? And if it is if you could cap some matches for me or something. Course I'd host them. But generally, what is the SFEX player base there?

I Am Lothar 03-24-2005 07:41 PM

Any Bison (Glove) tips? I'm pretty new to ST/AE and after watching the vids you posted it seems just be keep the pressure on with dash punches, headbutts and turn punches, hit a throw or random super and you win. Anything else I'm missing?

Hol Horse 03-24-2005 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NKI
Hol Horse - that's quite a long list there, so I can only give you a quick run down. The best way to learn Sim is to watch those matches I posted the link to.

[...]

Hope that helps, but in the future please ask more specific questions. I don't have the knowledge (or the time) to type up full match breakdowns for characters.


thanks a LOT, and sorry for taking your time. It's just that whenever I tried to ask something in the strategy section I always got ignored; I saw you were answering everyone so I took the chance since you seem to know ST quite well.
All the stuff you told me was quite useful since it was what I needed - general advice.
My main issue is sustaining pressure once they get close, I guess I just need more experience.

Now for some specific questions:
Against Chun, I have trouble against her jump forward... if I can't anticipate it and Yoga Blast it (or b+Forward her on the way up), b+Jab doesn't work and b+Strong is unreliable. I tried to slide and then she crosses me up and takes tons of my life away.

VS Honda: if he's ON me, I have hard time getting out. Expecially when cornered, but in midscreen also. Hundred slaps are dangerous and at close range I can't Yoga Fire them, when he gets in I'm dead (if he's a good Honda of course)

Didn't know that short slide could evade Claw's off the wall. Does that evade even the grab? Is should do it at the last possible time, right? thanks.

NKI 03-26-2005 01:19 AM

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Against Chun, I have trouble against her jump forward...
As far as I know, the only reliable anti-air against that is the Yoga Blast. All his other moves will either lose cleanly or at best trade. Even at More I can get away with randomly jumping at Sim because he just doesn't have a good defense against it, especially from afar (almost full screen, where the Yoga Blast can't reach jumping Chun).

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VS Honda: if he's ON me, I have hard time getting out.
That can be tough too because other than the Yoga Blast, Sim has no good defense against the butt slam when Honda is on top of him. Trying to teleport away can be really risky because if his butt slam crosses you up, your teleport motion will be reversed, and you will teleport right next to him. If you are all the way in the corner, and he does the RH butt slam, you can back+Strong him cleanly, but if he does the Forward butt slam, you will lose cleanly. If you can't Yoga Blast him, it's really just best to block it.

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Didn't know that short slide could evade Claw's off the wall. Does that evade even the grab? Is should do it at the last possible time, right? thanks.
Yes, do it as late as possible. You are too low for him to grab you, so he will end up doing the claw, it will whiff, and then you get free noogies.


-Nicholai!

Hol Horse 03-26-2005 08:13 AM

thanks a lot NKI, you are a great source of reliable info on ST. People like you are needed on this forum, too few posters have a real good knowledge of the game
(Apoc did quit too, all the staples are going away :sad:)

Chris F 03-27-2005 12:44 AM

Hawk is great if you're psychic and have great execution under pressure.

The negative edge thing works. You have to do a different motion for your SPD/FAB and that requires a lot of training room type practice. It would definitely be worth the effort. You want to end the SPD in a def. crouch, otherwise it's kind of pointless. You want to block the reversals.

Old Hawk can also use it. Those who recall probably are thinking of an old post by Julien Beasley. Repeat the SPD when possible by a meaty jumping jab timed so perfectly, that non-Ken/Akuma-fierce-Shoryuken-1frame moves will be blocked (then uppercutted, repeat), followed by jabX2, neg. edge 3 button SPD rasta rhythm mon. Jab uppercut if they DPed out of the attempt. Repeat. Chill and smoke.

Hawk is also far easier to use on a jap. stick. He plays like a dream on them. On U.S. sticks, he looks and plays like a racist stereotype.

Saotome Kaneda 03-27-2005 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris F
Hawk is also far easier to use on a jap. stick. He plays like a dream on them. On U.S. sticks, he looks and plays like a racist stereotype.


Siggedddddddd

Sabin 03-27-2005 11:38 PM

^ bender mark2 is the gayest person on SRK, all he does is troll threads and talks about why he thinks (insert game here) sucks.

Dont feed the troll, keep this great thread going.

WB! 03-28-2005 01:15 AM

Yeah, love this thread, especially as an ST Chun user getting some insight into Japan. Keep up the info, NKI.

Last thing any thread needs is a debate about why a game sucks...those types of debates are a fucking dime a dozen dude and are so so tired. Play what you wanna play, stop the hate and Shut the Fuck Up. :tup: Thank you.

nomrah 03-28-2005 04:10 AM

Love the thread NKI, keep it coming. ST forever.

RoTeNdO 03-28-2005 07:33 AM

Saotome: I'm down for some T5 lessons soon. I've been busy and working weekends and shit. Oh, and I just got my copy of it too for my PS2 so where is a good place for tactics other than here and Tekken.net?

WB! 03-28-2005 12:24 PM

Anyways, as an attempt to get this thread back to where it should be...

Any ST Dee Jays over there in Japan and how does ST Chun Li fair against him/what are her best options?

KnownasWolf 03-28-2005 01:36 PM

A mod needs to get rid of benders posts please. This is a awsome thread and NKI is relly giving a lot of info.

DEMON_JIM 03-28-2005 03:33 PM

I agree 100% with the guy above me, this thread is not a thread to get spammed up.

Keep up the good shit NKI.

-DJ-

NKI 03-28-2005 05:24 PM

Whoops! Just realized I neglected two replies. Sorry about that - I was not ignoring you; I'm just absent-minded.

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Originally Posted by I Am Lothar
Any Bison (Glove) tips? I'm pretty new to ST/AE and after watching the vids you posted it seems just be keep the pressure on with dash punches, headbutts and turn punches, hit a throw or random super and you win. Anything else I'm missing?
You are correct, sir! The main point is just to always be charged. That means anytime you do a move, do it with diagonals. Bull charge should always be done as charge D/B, U/B+punch (so that you can rush or super immediately afterwards). All rushes should be done as charge D/B, D/F+button (so that you can immediately bull charge afterwards). When I used to play Boxer, probably 90% or 95% of the round, I would be charging TAP (kicks, of course). If you need a fast TAP but don't want to use your "money shot" TAP (the one you've been charging for a while), use punches. You can charge two TAPs at once, and you can charge the TAP amazingly fast (only takes half a second or so).

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Originally Posted by WB!
Any ST Dee Jays over there in Japan and how does ST Chun Li fair against him/what are her best options?
Yeah, there are some DeeJay players here. Mostly it's just a turtle fest with trading fireballs. The DeeJay players' main juice is off his cross-up j.Forward. First of all, it's an ambiguous cross-up (most of the time against Chun, it's not blocked as a cross-up). If you manage to block the initial cross-up correctly, they will follow up with cr.Jab, then guessing game between throw or cr.Short xx Machine Gun punches. I will never try to reverse the throw (always duck block) because if he goes for cr.Short xx Machine Gun punches, you are almost certainly dizzied, then he does it again for the kill. Just tech the throw and be safe.

I think Chun does all right in this match. D/F+RH is great againist DeeJay because even if he reverses with up kicks, he will whiff. When I play Chun vs. DeeJay, it basically comes down to who has more patience. We will generally fireball a lot until one of us tries to get fresh (usually me when I get meter or him when he gets bored). I think it's slightly in Chun's favor because once the fireballing stops and we get in on each other, to me it seems easier for Chun to defend against DeeJay than it is for him to defend against her. Sometimes they will try to do a little trap with cross-up j.Forward, cr.Jab, then another cross-up j.Forward, but Chun gets free air throw or jump straight up RH if they try those shenanigans.

Oh yeah...and if you're in close but not sure what to do, as long as he doesn't have meter, lightning kicks are awesome. It will beat any ground move he tries, and usually when people see lightning kicks they want to jump at you, which is good for you.

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Originally Posted by ShinjiGohan
I think that he meant in the layout of the arcade. Say at any one arcade. Is there a section where you'll only see SNK arcade games. about 30 feet over you see a section that only has capcom arcade games. Or are they laid out in any ole manner.
They're usually grouped together, if not by genre, then at least all cabinets for the same game will be next to each other.

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To my question (yea yea it deals with SFEX). I heard that Tokyo is a decent Street Fighter EX series fanbase. I was wondering if that was true? And if it is if you could cap some matches for me or something.
Honestly, I have no clue about the SFEX scene. I have only seen one SFEX cabinet (don't remember which SFEX it was), and it was only a single cab, i.e. not meant to be played with two players. I don't have a video camera here, so I wouldn't be able to cap anything anyway...

When I was at Shinjuku Sportsland last weekend, I played a game of Marvel, and they have version that I've never seen before. I couldn't see any major (or even minor) gameplay differences, but in 1P mode, when it shows your next opponent, the assist types are not listed. Dunno if it's maybe the beta, or what. I don't think it's because it's the Japanese version, because Alpha Station has normal Marvel cabs...


-Nicholai!

ShinjiGohan 03-29-2005 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NKI
They're usually grouped together, if not by genre, then at least all cabinets for the same game will be next to each other.


cool. I was thinking of doing a similar thing if I ever openned up an arcade.

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Honestly, I have no clue about the SFEX scene. I have only seen one SFEX cabinet (don't remember which SFEX it was), and it was only a single cab, i.e. not meant to be played with two players. I don't have a video camera here, so I wouldn't be able to cap anything anyway...


ok thats understandable. Thanks for letting me know.

ssj2jeff 03-29-2005 02:30 AM

hey NKI i got a question for ya. when the arcade is really crowded and lets say theres a bunch of people at the 3s cab how do they keep track of whos next or do you just try and hop on which ever cabinet gets open first?

NKI 03-29-2005 12:23 PM

Because they're all head-to-head cabinets, you stand behind the person who you think will lose. The Japs don't put up coins, and usually they can keep track of whose next, but just like in America, there are shysters who will jump in line, especially More Balrog. That guy is cheap in ST and cheap in real life.


-Nicholai!

Muskau 03-29-2005 02:24 PM

I'm interested in hearing about ST Ken, is New the most often used? And how often do they make use of Ken's crazy kicks? Any good Ken players you've seen there?

NKI 03-29-2005 04:15 PM

N.Ken is way more popular than O.Ken. His main gimmick is cr.Short, cr.Short xx super. It is incredibly easy to do, has lots of set-ups, can be option-selected (don't do the super unless you see the cr.Shorts connect), and it does hella damage. Where O.Ken is played mostly as a fireball/DP character, N.Ken is played as a throw/ShortShortSuper character.

The main thing they go for is his Forward throw (the knees) because it's really dirty, and you can do crazy shenanigans afterwards. He can either walk under for the cross-up, fake walking under for the cross-up, or do j.Jab xx air Hurricane Kick, then throw guessing games. The air Hurricane Kick has surprisingly long block stun, so a lot of people do their reversals too early and end up getting thrown again. N.Ken has the fastest recovering DP in the game, so you have to be much quicker when trying to punish his whiffed DP. You'll see a lot of [whiffed DP, hit DP] because people try to punish the first one too slowly and end up eating the second one.

I've only seen one really awesome usage for his crazy kicks. I think (not 100% sure) it's in one of the vids I capped two years ago (the crazy N.Ken vs. random people). He was facing another Ken player, and as the opponent was getting up, the N.Ken player anticipated the reversal DP, so he did a crazy kick right in the guy's face as he did reversal DP, and because the hit box is so weird on the crazy kicks, the DP went right through him.


-Nicholai!

Muskau 03-30-2005 10:54 AM

Thanks for the info! Cool Stuff

NKI 04-02-2005 02:04 AM

More arcade (Shinjuku) - Super Turbo

Tonight there was some juicy ST action. Some random T.Hawk player who I've never seen before came in and just wrecked shop on all the More regulars. Good lord, it seemed like he landed the super almost every round. When I was playing him, I knocked him out of the air with a st.Forward, and I walked under him for the cross-up cr.Forward, cr.Fierce combo (not a smart thing to try), but I slightly mistimed it and ended up getting backwards cr.Forward. That fool did backwards reversal 720, so we're both facing the wrong way, and he grabs me with the super as we're both facing away from each other.

The best part of the night though was at the end, when More was closing down. They turn off all the lights around 11:45pm to let people know it's time to get going, and at midnight they just cut the power to all the machines. It was about 11:59, so the power would be cut at any minute, and there are no refunds, so I didn't want to risk it, but other people were taking their chances. Both the ST and AE machines were open, and two of the regulars (More Vega, and another guy whose name I don't know) simultaneously put in their coins as fast as possible, both started their games as fast as possible, both tried to choose their characters as fast as possible, and BOTH chose the wrong character. More Vega of course wanted Vega (Dictator) but ended up choosing Balrog (Claw), and the other guy wanted Ryu but ended up picking Ken. They both then proceeded to get smoked like a J.


-Nicholai!

Drunken Master 04-02-2005 04:12 AM

Care to share some of what these Hawk players do?? More specifically, how do they get in??

Also, how do they build up super so much? Whiff dive hawks? I find myself rarely having full meter unless I actully take an effort to build it.

Eishi 04-02-2005 04:27 AM

NKI thanks for the great stuff you bring us :)
Can you tell me more about how Vega (dictator) is played in japan ? He is my main character and I have problems defending against jump-ins. Also, do you know of any cool techniques with him ? I know that you can cross up people with the slide in some situations (when they tech throw in the corner for example), and I'm wondering if he has other cool tricks like this one.

NKI 04-02-2005 01:15 PM

Usually the Hawk player would spend the majority of the match getting straight owned, being kept out where he can't really do anything. The Hawk player was very patient and waited for just that one opportunity (where the opponent makes even the smallest mistake) and then he capitalizes on it. For example, if they're within half screen or so, poking around, etc, and the Hawk player knows the opponent will hesitate even for just a split second, he just does walk-up 360, follows it up with a dive to get next to him as he get up, then cr.Jab x2 guessing games. He can do Hawk's DP move (what is it called, anyway?) any time he thinks you will try to reverse, because Hawk's DP will even beat a Shoryuken. So it's basically a guessing game of "Should I reverse on wake-up, after the first cr.Jab, after the second cr.Jab, or not at all?", and most people can't guess right.

He built most of his meter by doing psychic Hawk DPs and dives. The problem is that the dive has really long recovery after it's blocked, so a lot of characters get free retaliation. However, even though he's getting hit he's building that meter, and once he gets in, he will land the super as opposed to the regular 360, and that's the difference between getting 25% damage and getting 65% damage.

Also, for those who don't know, Hawk's RH throw (the elbows to the face) is one of the best if not the best standard throw in the game. It has big range, and afterwards you get a JUICY cross-up j.Forward against most (all?) characters. If it hits, he will do cross-up j.Forward, cr.Jab->st.Jab xx uppercut. If it's blocked, he will do guessing games off the cr.Jabs. If he has meter (and the opponent doesn't), and he lands the RH throw, he gets guaranteed super against Bison (Dictator) and possibly against Blanka (I'm not sure if Up Ball will lose cleanly or trade with j.Forward). Even for other characters, it's really hard to escape if you don't have a charge down move for a reversal, like Flash Kick, or Bison's (boxer's) Bull Charge. If Hawk doesn't have meter, he still gets guaranteed 360 against Bison and (possibly) Blanka, and it's really hard to get out of for the rest of the cast. The problem is that even if you have a good reversal, he's using the release method, so he won't get hit even if you successfully reverse. For example, after a cr.Jab, Ryu tries a reversal DP, but Hawk only did 360+release punch, so Ryu does the reversal DP, nothing comes out for Hawk, then to punish the whiffed DP, Hawk will whiff a cr.Short (to ground himself) and 720 Ryu when he lands.

The Dictator players here are very solid, especially More Vega. For anti-air they will use j.Strong (jump at the opponent). If the opponent tries to do a deep jumpinig attack, you can actually st.Jab him first. If he gets wise to that and starts doing jumping attacks higher up, then you get a free throw when he lands. The problem is when they jump at you from far enough away that you don't get a throw. At those times, you want to do j.Strong. I've also seen them use Fierce Psycho Crusher, not as an anti-air move, but just to avoid the situation all together. (When the opponent jumps at you, immediately do Fierce Psycho Crusher under him to get away.) It won't hit, but at least you don't run the risk of taking any damage.

I still can't believe how well they use the Devil's Reverse (charge down, up+punch). They use it as a meaty, as a cross-up, and I've even seen it used as a reversal a few times, but I don't know how reliable that is as a reversal. Seems to me that the first few frames would be on the ground (and throwable). The Vega players will land a lot of st.RH, and they are exceptionally good at the touch of death. People lose a lot of rounds to cross-up j.Forward (or j.RH), st.Short, st.Short, cr.Forward xx Scissor Kicks, dizzy, combo of choice for the kill. Also, they are really good at st.Short guessing games. You either try to stand up and reverse the throw, or you duck block in anticipation of a cr.Forward xx Scissor Kicks, but even if you guess the cr.Forward correctly, you don't get anything for free.

They do a lot of head stomps, and the punch afterwards (coming down from the head stomp) seems really good. After the head stomp hits (or is blocked), they will veer just a little bit to the other side, then switch back to the original side, so it's a double cross-up. What makes this so good is that any move the opponent tries to do will be backwards, so Vega lands behind you after you've just whiffed your reversal, and that's trouble.

They don't really rely on the super very much. They'll use it for an evasive move, like if Hawk or Gief is trying to tick, but they don't really have any set-ups for it or anything.

I'm probably forgetting stuff, but that's the gist of it.


-Nicholai!

Ouroborus 04-03-2005 01:24 PM

yo, NKI, great thread u started,

can you help me with some vega (claw man) strats?

i use CE vega even though i know that ST vega is clearly superior. i was wondering what are his bad matches (any incarnations), how to fight them and what are his better matches.

right now, it seems that bison, blanka and chun are his worse matches since they seem to control the air much better than him. it might even be worse for ce vega since he has only one angle for attacks in the air. i also heard that honda is pretty bad since he out turtles vega.

even though most of CE vega's attacks have the same animation for the same strengh (standing mp/mk, standing lp,lk, jumping lp/lk, jumping mp/mk, and jumping hp/hk), do they have different priority? it seems they are the same but i have a good feeling its different.

also what do you mean by meaty claw dives?

Drunken Master 04-03-2005 03:44 PM

Nice stuff NKI.

Thanks for being our mole! :)

T-Kimura 04-03-2005 04:42 PM

man, no marvel stuff?

margalis 04-03-2005 05:02 PM

Where is More Arcade in Shinjuku? I was in Japan a week ago, I didn't see a single ST machine there, although AE was quite popular in some places. (I mostly hung out at Sega World, which has an INSANE number of VF4 machines and 4-5 AE machines)

I didn't get a chance to play anything for very long but my impression was that everyone playing AE was pretty good, even the worst players were decent. The worst people were also bad in different ways. Even the worst people I saw could execute things pretty effectively (for example, various combos into super, Ryu combos involving low strong->low forward, etc) and their weaknessed tended to be things like tried too many uppercuts or were weak in the throw game. Getting hit hurts, even getting hit by a relatively bad player.

Edit: I barely saw any Marvel or any CFJ/CFE. I don't think any arcade I went to had more than one CFJ/CFE machine, and I don't think I saw anyone playing it the entire time.

NKI 04-04-2005 01:06 AM

Ouroborus - I have no clue about CE Claw's matches or normals, and I don't know ST Claw too well (aside from his match against Chun), but I'll kick down what little I know about him. By the way, a meaty claw dive is when you knock down the opponent, then do a claw dive that is hitting as they get up (meaty), but you swerve from side to side, making it hard to see which way to block.

As for his match-ups, I think Honda does well against him, and the characters who do "all right" against him I think are Chun, Boxer, and Dictator.

-Honda-
I don't know for sure, but it seems to me that Honda does the best against Claw. Honda can super turtle because Headbutt will beat all jumping attacks and the Roll, Honda's j.Jab (maybe j.Strong too?) will beat the wall dives clean. Unless Claw does something, Honda really has no incentive to do anything other than duck block. When Honda loses this match, it's usually because he got impatient and tried to get fresh. If he super turtles, I think he beats Claw without much trouble.

-Chun-
She has good answers for the wall dives (air throw, j.Fierce, j.RH, jump straight up RH), and she has bigger throw range than Claw; other than Flip Kick he has no answer for the st.Strong melee, so when they're in close, she can harrass him pretty badly. Also, lightning legs will beat every normal he has except st.Fierce(?)...I think. Strangely enough, Claw's Flip Kick will beat lightning legs clean...that's something even Shoryuken can't do. Claw wants to go off the wall against her, but you have to be very careful of her counters. If you do a wall dive and press punch really early (after coming off the wall), his dive will beat her counters, but if she knows that's coming, she gets free fireball, or free walk up throw, etc. The Claw players here use the fake wall dive (Flash Kick with punch) if they know I will try to counter a wall dive. Fake wall dive will beat all of her anti-wall dive moves, and I think it even beats lightning legs clean (not sure it if works every time, but I remember getting hit clean). When I lose to Claw, it's usually because I did a poor job of guessing between fake wall dive and real wall dive. When I win, it's usually because I countered all of his wall dives, fireballed all of his fake wall dives, and rushed him down with st.Strong and throw.

-Boxer-
As with the match with Sim, I think Claw does all right as long as he can avoid getting thrown. Claw's cr.Strong from 1/3rd screen or 1/2 screen away makes it hard for Boxer to do anything effectively because cr.Strong will beat all of Boxer's specials. (Bull Charge will whiff if he tries it.) Just be careful of hiis st.Fierce because it will sometimes beat cr.Strong clean, and even if it trades, Claw loses that trade BADLY. You can't really abuse Wall Dives too much because Bull Charge and cr.Fierce are good against wall dives. If you do get thrown and he goes for cross-up cr.Forward, you get a free reversal throw on him.

-Dictator-
Be careful when doing wall dives, because Dic's j.Strong x3 hurts. Dic can really rush down Claw using Scissor Kicks, st.Forward, st.Short, etc. However, Dic doesn't really have good anti air against Claw's jumping normals. The only thing Dic can really do is j.Strong, but Claw's jump is quite fast. Dic has absolutely no good reversal, so if you can knock him down once and get the wall dive shenanigans started, just keep doing it. After Dic blocks your j.RH, do guessing games between throw or [cr.Forward, cr.Strong] combo.

Also, I think Claw does all right against Dhalsim, as long as you can avoid the Noogies. If Sim gets the Noogies started, the only thing Claw can do is Flip Kick or back flip, both of which are punishable if predicted. You want to Wall Dive, but don't get greedy, because Sim has several counters for them (Short slide, j.RH, j.Fierce, Yoga Breath).

Blanka can win a lot of random rounds just because his jumping attacks are crazy good (especially j.Short cross-up craziness), but I think Claw should win that match most of the time because Claw has a severe range advantage. Blanka really wants to get the jumping shenanigans started, so just make sure to either Flip Kick or j.Fierce his jump-ins. Keep him at half screen or so where you can poke him but he can't do much to you. Other than up ball, Blanka has very poor anti air, so if he's not charging down, you can do j.RH pretty safely. Also, Blanka Ball is out of the question because even if it hits, you get free st.Fierce on him.

I could be wrong on some of that info, but that's what I have observed from the matches I've seen.

T-Kimura - Marvel updates will come once Justin gets here. We're planning a gathering with Mitsu, Takayuki, Sunahebi, etc. Will probably go down towards the end of April. Oh yeah, and the last time I played Takayuki, even though I was using the switch trick and he wasn't, he was able to trade Magneto cr.Shorts with me. Is that hard to time?

margalis - More is located on NOTORIOUS Kabuki-chou. It's only about 1 or 2 minutes from the JR East exit. And yeah, I'd agree that even Japan's ST scrubs are pretty decent, and CFJ/MvC2 are amazingly unpopular.


-Nicholai!

JustinW 04-04-2005 06:20 AM

Japan in 3 weeks for me!!!!

Master Chibi 04-04-2005 06:22 AM

Have fun.

^_^

Ouroborus 04-04-2005 08:08 AM

thanks for the feed back.

i guess no one plays ce vega then :/

even though hes inferior to st vega, he has some good strengths like a much larger throw range and does more damage to boot. standing lp/lk, mp/mk is not too bad for an anti air and i think he can trade hits better than st vega.

i also heard that ce vega had some kind of infinite block stun trap like ce dictator bison. i heard it from apoc somewhere and i think it only works in the american version of CE.

Saotome Kaneda 04-04-2005 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JustinW
Japan in 3 weeks for me!!!!

[VSlash]Oh SHIT[/VSlash]

How long you plan on beasting on the Far East Coast for?

NKI 04-04-2005 08:24 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JustinW
Japan in 3 weeks for me!!!!
I'm getting antsy!!!!

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Originally Posted by Ouroborus
i also heard that ce vega had some kind of infinite block stun trap like ce dictator bison. i heard it from apoc somewhere and i think it only works in the american version of CE.
I am not old school like Apoc, so I could be wrong, but I didn't think the trap was 100%. Maybe against people with no good reversals (Dic, Claw, Blanka, etc), but I'm pretty sure there's a small gap (between the hits of the Claw Roll) where you can reversal.

Oh, and I forgot to mention last time that I saw Rolling Izuna Drop (Claw's super) grab Ryu out of a Shoryuken during the first few frames (the invincible part). Claw swerved to the other side of Ryu (crossed him up) as he started the Shoryuken, so Ryu got grabbed from behind. Makes sense though, because Ryu's DP loses to other things that hit him in the back (like Chun's instant head stomp).


-Nicholai!

JumpsuitJesse 04-04-2005 11:49 PM

Hey NKI, do the Japanese arcades over there ever sell their games to the public?

I was asking around and looking for a "Capcom Mini" cabinet. Maybe you have seen it. Its not like the regular small cabinets. These models are SUPER small. Like a slender mini fridge :) I am tempted to bring enough money to buy one of those fuckers.

Also, since you play at these arcades often do the cabinets have the square gates or octagon gates on their sticks? Are the cabinets always in working order??


I am still looking for good airfare buts it's not looking too good.

NKI 04-05-2005 01:03 AM

Jesse - the arcades themselves don't sell to the public (not that I've seen), but there are plenty of game shops that sell PCBs and other arcade stuff. I haven't seen that mini-cab, but then again, I haven't been looking either. I am not 100% sure, but I think More uses square gates for ST/AE. I think Alpha Station uses octagons for Marvel.

Also, about that DVD: I tried to buy it from Amazon of Japan, but for some wacky backwards reason, they only accept Japanese credit cards. I've asked a friend to buy it for me, so I'm waiting on her...


-Nicholai!

Naysayism 2.0 04-05-2005 02:10 AM

How many ST Dee Jay players have you seen out there so far. Also, what do they do for mind games?

VManOfMana 04-05-2005 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NKI
Also, about that DVD: I tried to buy it from Amazon of Japan, but for some wacky backwards reason, they only accept Japanese credit cards. I've asked a friend to buy it for me, so I'm waiting on her...


NKI: maybe it was a problem with your specific card. I have bought several things from Amazon.co.jp without problem, and I actually have a couple things preordered for April 6th. I have had no problem using either my debit or credit card with them.

The only problems I have had with them is that they don't ship software overseas, and one of the CDs I wanted to get from them was classified as software for some reason.

Ouroborus 04-05-2005 05:14 AM

so which non ST characters gets used a lot in AE?

from what i read, it seems only ce bison, ce guile, ce sagat, ww guile and some st old balrog gets used a lot.

anyone even use hf blanka, hf chun, or hf balrog(boxer)? invincible TAPs are too good.

Drunken Master 04-05-2005 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by NKI
I am not old school like Apoc, so I could be wrong, but I didn't think the trap was 100%. Maybe against people with no good reversals (Dic, Claw, Blanka, etc), but I'm pretty sure there's a small gap (between the hits of the Claw Roll) where you can reversal.


I believe the trap he was talking about was: walk up s.MP xN. Something about not being able to crouch it or something, I dunno.

Also, you're recording this upcoming MvC2 session right? :)

Ryu1999 04-05-2005 12:26 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ouroborus
so which non ST characters gets used a lot in AE?

from what i read, it seems only ce bison, ce guile, ce sagat, ww guile and some st old balrog gets used a lot.

anyone even use hf blanka, hf chun, or hf balrog(boxer)? invincible TAPs are too good.


HF Shotos get used from what was mentioned in a more AE-specific thread.

NKI 04-05-2005 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Naysayism 2.0
How many ST Dee Jay players have you seen out there so far. Also, what do they do for mind games?
I posted about the Deejay players a few pages back.
http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/sho...0&postcount=411

Aside from what I mentioned there, they abuse his ultra-high priority normals like cr.Fierce, cr.Strong, cr.Forward, cr.RH, etc. Why are his normals so good?

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Originally Posted by VManOfMana
NKI: maybe it was a problem with your specific card. I have bought several things from Amazon.co.jp without problem, and I actually have a couple things preordered for April 6th.
REALLY...
I'll give it another shot. Maybe it was a fluke?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ouroborus
so which non ST characters gets used a lot in AE?

from what i read, it seems only ce bison, ce guile, ce sagat, ww guile and some st old balrog gets used a lot.

anyone even use hf blanka, hf chun, or hf balrog(boxer)? invincible TAPs are too good.
That list is pretty accurate, but the O.Balrog (Boxer) was a one-time thing. I played against a few HF Blankas, but not many at all...maybe three or so. Same for HF Rog (Boxer).

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Originally Posted by Drunken Master
I believe the trap he was talking about was: walk up s.MP xN. Something about not being able to crouch it or something, I dunno.
Oh, you must be talking about Dictator. I thought you meant Claw. Not too sure about that...never played CE much. I just know Dictator's normals are ridiculously good.

Quote:
Also, you're recording this upcoming MvC2 session right?
I'll make sure it gets recorded, but I do not have the hardware to cap it, so I'll have to ask ozy or something. Don't hold your breath, because ozy lives far away from me, plus he's a pretty busy guy. The footage might take a while to get online. :sad:


-Nicholai!

Drunken Master 04-05-2005 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by NKI
Oh, you must be talking about Dictator. I thought you meant Claw. Not too sure about that...never played CE much. I just know Dictator's normals are ridiculously good.


Nope. I meant claw. :) Similar to Dictator's walking s.LK stuff.

Quote:
I'll make sure it gets recorded, but I do not have the hardware to cap it, so I'll have to ask ozy or something. Don't hold your breath, because ozy lives far away from me, plus he's a pretty busy guy. The footage might take a while to get online. :sad:


Take your time. I am personally not concerned, as I don't much care for MvC2. But I'm sure there are others who would love to see this showdown. Just looking out for the group. :)

NKI 04-06-2005 12:36 AM

Damn, I'm so easily confused...:confused:

Anyway, I fired up CE today and tested out both Claw and Dictator. I don't see how on earth it's possible to trap with st.Strong with either of them. Maybe I'm just not old school enough...


-Nicholai!

JumpsuitJesse 04-06-2005 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by NKI
Jesse - the arcades themselves don't sell to the public (not that I've seen), but there are plenty of game shops that sell PCBs and other arcade stuff. I haven't seen that mini-cab, but then again, I haven't been looking either. I am not 100% sure, but I think More uses square gates for ST/AE. I think Alpha Station uses octagons for Marvel.

Also, about that DVD: I tried to buy it from Amazon of Japan, but for some wacky backwards reason, they only accept Japanese credit cards. I've asked a friend to buy it for me, so I'm waiting on her...


-Nicholai!


SWEET! I LOVE YOU! YOU ARE A TRUE BUD! :clap:

Oh and here is a pic of that Capcom Mini Cabinet that I am looking for...

CAPCOM MINI CUTE 19 Cabinet

omni 04-06-2005 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JumpsuitJesse
Oh and here is a pic of that Capcom Mini Cabinet that I am looking for...

CAPCOM MINI CUTE 19 Cabinet


For whatever it is worth:

I never saw any of these in Japan either. BUT!!! I saw something very similiar if not the same thing everywhere in Korea. Shrug.

Derek

Saotome Kaneda 04-06-2005 01:31 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpsuitJesse
SWEET! I LOVE YOU! YOU ARE A TRUE BUD! :clap:

Oh and here is a pic of that Capcom Mini Cabinet that I am looking for...

CAPCOM MINI CUTE 19 Cabinet

In my 4 years here, I have NEVER seen a sit-down cab that doesn't have some form of actual LEGROOM underneath the controls.

NKI 04-08-2005 12:30 PM

Random entry:

Yesterday I went over to Chikyuu's pad (where ohayo is staying) to play some Marvel. When Kim and I got there around 7:30pm or so, Chikyuu was sound asleep, but we woke him up to play. First thing Chikyuu does after waking up: pop open a tall boy.

Chikyuu of course played his team of BH/Cable/SonSon. We didn't have exceptionally awesome matches, but the quote of the night goes to Chikyuu. After losing a couple games in a row to me and Kim, he said, "nan de saru ga katte inai no...", which means "Why isn't the monkey winning...?" After that he popped open another tall boy to help himself regroup.


-Nicholai!

popoblo 04-08-2005 03:58 PM

too dope for words, good shit NKI!

any word on the cvs2 scene in japan?

peace

fLoE 04-08-2005 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JustinW
Japan in 3 weeks for me!!!!


=DDDDDDDD

Saotome Kaneda 04-09-2005 03:55 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
"nan de saru ga katte inai no...",



LMFAO

Kuso Saru!

NKI 04-09-2005 12:26 PM

popoblo - I have no clue about CvS2 in Japan. Never watch; not really interested. :confused:

You should ask ohayo if you're really interested. He's in Japan now, and he plays a lot of CvS2.


-Nicholai!

Chupacabra 04-09-2005 01:15 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpsuitJesse
SWEET! I LOVE YOU! YOU ARE A TRUE BUD! :clap:

Oh and here is a pic of that Capcom Mini Cabinet that I am looking for...

CAPCOM MINI CUTE 19 Cabinet


haha...damn thats awesome

ive never seen them on coin op express. is this a new model or something?

ThyAllMighty 04-09-2005 03:04 PM

i have seen those mini cabs before, it was in a macy's like store in a japanese mall on the 2nd floor, right next to where they sell shit in glass cases, hella random placing

HeLGeN-X 04-09-2005 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NKI
Because I'll be in Tokyo for the next year or so, I'll put all my game-related notes here.


[B]More arcade (Shinjuku) - Daigo is there pretty much every time I go, but he's always playing CvS2 and nothing else. Sorry - I don't care for CvS2, so I never watch...


Can you give me directions to that arcade? I'll probably head up there in fall.

NKI 04-10-2005 01:29 AM

http://nki.combovideos.com/More.gif

Probably would have taken less time to just explain it in words.

/me shrugs


-Nicholai!

popo187 04-10-2005 04:25 AM

lol NKI 105yen sushi .. sounds DANGEROUS

Saotome Kaneda 04-10-2005 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by NKI
http://nki.combovideos.com/More.gif

Probably would have taken less time to just explain it in words.

/me shrugs


-Nicholai!

Damn, that's a lot of shady negros...o_o;;;

jms 04-10-2005 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by NKI
http://nki.combovideos.com/More.gif

Probably would have taken less time to just explain it in words.

/me shrugs


-Nicholai!


If you had explained that in words, it wouldn't have made nearly as cool a wallpaper for my desktop. :clap:

MagnetGenocide 04-10-2005 04:53 AM

Any word about Evo 2k5 over there?

danomyte 04-10-2005 04:58 AM

shady negros luv micky D's!

vpt_whatup 04-10-2005 10:36 AM

Hey I'm sort of new to ST (LOL I played WW/CE on arcade but I was like 7 years old so never really seriously). I just want to give props to NKI for his feedback on the Japan ST/MvC2 scene.

My question is which "O." characters are better than their ST counter parts? I know that O. Sagat is all about Tiger Tiger Tiger... but that's all I know.

Thanks in advance!

NKI 04-10-2005 12:54 PM

MagnetGenocide - when I asked bas last week, he said that if it's in Vegas (which it will be), then a lot more Japs will go. He didn't name any names, though. About a month ago I asked Daigo if he's going, and at that time he said he wasn't sure, but I dunno why he'd pass up free money.

vpt_whatup - Here's the way I see it:

Ryu: All the things that he gained (super, overhead, towards+Fierce, new j.Strong, ability to tech throws) are really good, so I would say N.Ryu over O.Ryu, but O.Ryu is definitely a solid character.

Ken: This is debatable, I think. They're both good characters, but they're played in two totally different ways. I'd say it's right about even...maybe a little bit in N.Ken's favor.

Honda: I'd go with N.Honda all the way. Yeah, his super is one of the worst in the game, but the Ooichou is probably the best throw in the game.

Chun: I don't see O.Chun having any advantage over N.Chun. Having an invincible 65% damage move activatable in one frame (stored super) is way too good.

Blanka: There's no reason that I know of to choose O.Blanka. He really needs the slide (D/F+Fierce), especially against Guile and DeeJay.

Zangief: Contrary to popular belief, O.Gief does not have more SPD range than N.Gief. I tested it with Kawaks, and it's the same. Factor in that O.Gief has no super, and he can't tech throws...I see no reason to choose O.Gief.

Guile: Again, there is a myth about O.Guile. I've heard a lot of people claim that O.Guile has faster Sonic Booms and/or faster walking speed, but both of those are easily disproven with Kawaks. I think N.Guile's normals are better...movable st.Forward gives it extra range, back+RH let's Guile advance on the opponent between throwing Sonic Booms. Not to mention N.Guiule can tech throws and do j.Short, cr.Short->cr.Short xx super, which does about 95% damage. (I am not joking...95% damage...and people actually land that combo in matches.)

Dhalsim: Maybe we should consult Shirts on this one, because I see no reason to play O.Sim. N.Sim has controlable limbs, three different drills, super, and can tech throws. /me shrugs

Hawk: O.Hawk has a better st.RH (can't duck under it), but if you can land the super consistently, N.Hawk is definitely the way to go.

Cammy: It's really rare that I see or play against a Cammy player (new or old), so I tried out O.Cammy, and the only difference I saw besides the Hooligan, teching throws, and the super was that N.Cammy's QCF+punch move (whatever it's called) has more invincibility than O.Cammy's, so I'd go with N.Cammy.

Fei: Both of them are quite good, but I'd go with N.Fei. All of O.Fei's normals are cancelable, and that makes him really deadly, but aside from losing the ability to tech throws and the super, he loses the Chicken Wing, which is a crucial move in some matches (like against Chun, Sim, Dictator, DeeJay, etc).

DeeJay: O.DeeJay has the invinicible Machine Gun Upper, but I dunno if that makes him worth playing...I'd still go with N.DeeJay.

Boxer: Definitely N.Boxer. There are some matches where O.Boxer is better (especially against Chun), but overall N.Boxer is clearly better because of the low rush and super.

Claw: Definitely N.Claw. Without the Flip Kicks, he doesn't have a good reversal, and teching throws is always nice. The super doesn't really make a difference because it's so hard to land anyway.

Sagat: Definitely O.Sagat. There are some good points about N.Sagat (his super is actually quite good), but the melee of Tigers is just too good.

Dictator: Definitely N.Dictator. Aside from teching and the super, the only two differences I know of are the Devil's Reverse, (charge down, up+punch) which is just goofy looking and confusing the first time you see it, and j.Strong, which is an excellent move. Oh yeah, and O.Dic has the glitch st.Fierce. (pic)

So to summarize, the only old character who is clearly better than the new version would be Sagat. Aside from him, O.Ryu, O.Ken and O.Fei are probably the best old characters.

Hope that helps.


-Nicholai!

MagnetGenocide 04-10-2005 02:23 PM

Thx Nki :tup:

Ouroborus 04-10-2005 03:33 PM

heres what i heard about the old characters but i'm not 100% sure.

old sim:
-more range on slide
-more range on grab

old ryu:
-faster fbs

gief:
-faster spds

bison:
-more recovery in scissor kick and psycho crusher

actually old cammys mp/hp spin knuckle has invincibility while n. cammy only has it for her lp knuckle. this i'm very sure.

what does the glitch standing fierce do?

Eishi 04-10-2005 10:35 PM

I also heard many times that O. characters have a faster walking speed, which may explain why some peeps choose O. zangief (even in Japan).

NKI 04-10-2005 11:02 PM

Did some testing...

O.Sim and N.Sim have the exact same range on all three slides (Short, Forward, Roundhouse) and their throws.

For some crazy reason, O.Ryu's cr.Short will beat N.Ryu's cr.Short cleanly every time. All their other normals will trade evenly. The difference in fireball speed is only very slight, but there is definitely a difference.

Both O.Gief and N.Gief have zero-frame SPDs, otherwise reversal SPD wouldn't work against meaties. I tested O.Gief vs. N.Gief, doing SPDs on the exact same frame (mirror input), and the results, as expected, were random (neither one got the SPD more than the other). So I don't think there is any difference between their SPDs.

Scissor Kicks and Psycho Crushers for N.Dic and O.Dic seemed almost the same (if not exactly the same), at least to me. By the way, glitch st.Fierce doesn't really do anything special...it just looks strange.

As you stated, N.Cammy only has invincibility on the Jab spin knuckle, whereas O.Cammy has invincibility on all three (Jab, Short, Fierce).

I too have heard about the faster walking speed for old characters, but I tested that as well, and it's the same. I dunno how that rumor got started.


-Nicholai!

vpt_whatup 04-11-2005 12:12 AM

Thanks for all of the info NKI and everybody else! I really appreciate it. :D

I've been watching some clips of Daigo's Balrog (Boxer) from the Evo trailer and on Gamespot and I can't even come close to reproducing the charge speeds, LOL.

fLoE 04-11-2005 04:03 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Dhalsim: Maybe we should consult Shirts on this one, because I see no reason to play O.Sim. N.Sim has controlable limbs, three different drills, super, and can tech throws. /me shrugs


actually i remember from a long time ago that either wilson or shirts himself told me that he uses o.sim cuz he doesnt like controling limbs.. hes too lazy lol

Drunken Master 04-11-2005 06:37 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Did some testing...
I too have heard about the faster walking speed for old characters, but I tested that as well, and it's the same. I dunno how that rumor got started.


It's not true? lol. :)

Lust 04-11-2005 10:27 AM

Hi NKI, do you have any vs. Zangief and vs. shoto advice as Chun?

dialupsucky 04-11-2005 10:49 AM

not exstremly pointfull or anything but as for just a lil tid bit, old ryu can cancle the beging of his stand far stand roundhouse shrug. So if you were to use it as a anti air in come cases you could then cancle into a fireball so besides reversal the opponent is forced to land into the fireball, and he has some dizzy combos with it.(However I think where every you could use far stand roundhouse you can still just use duck fierce and get the same thing.)

Never heard of that duck short thing with ryu though.. Hrmm it is kinda intresting though.

NKI 04-11-2005 03:54 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lust
Hi NKI, do you have any vs. Zangief and vs. shoto advice as Chun?
I think that Zangief is probably one of Chun's easiest fights. He just doesn't have a good way to get around her fireballs. Here's my Chun vs. Gief strat in a nutshell:

-The juice zone is about 3/4 the screen away, where you can throw a fireball, and if he jumps over it, none of his attacks can reach you.
-At the start of the round, just walk back. If he jumps, anti-air fireball him. Most likely you will trade hits, but it will be in your favor because he will then land in the juice zone (where he basically can't do anything against Chun). If he doesn't jump, you will walk back fast enough to get far enough way to safely throw a fireball (from the juice zone).
-Once you get to the juice zone, simply throw fireballs with lightning legs in between (to build meter). If he jumps over a fireball, just walk back a little more to get back in the juice zone. Eventually you will get to the corner, but you should have meter by that time.
-Once you have meter, I honestly don't know if there is anything Gief can do. Throw a fireball with the super motion buffered in (charge back, towards+Jab, back, hold towards to store the super). After throwing the fireball, walk up and wait to see what he does. If he blocks the fireball, walk back, repeat. If he tries to jump over, you get free super. If he tries to lariat through, you get free super. If he tries to Green Hand, you get free super. If there is something Gief can do to get out of that pattern, I don't know what it is, because no one has ever done it to me.

I've even had two different Gief players at two different arcades simply get up in the middle of the round and leave. :confused:

If you make a mistake somewhere in the round and Gief manages to get in, it can be really tough for Chun because she doesn't have the best reversals. You can use upkicks or Short Spinning Bird Kick to get out of SPD attempts, but both are punishable if predicted, and they're both charge moves, so you only get one shot. If he SPDs you, simply charge down/back and do lightning legs as you get up. There is nothing he can do to hurt you, and if he tries to jump at you (which they almost always do), just do upkicks.

I personally like fighting against Ryu, even though I think he does all right against Chun. It's especially hard for her once Ryu gets her in the corner, and he's standing about 1/3rd screen away pelting her with fireballs. The best thing you can really do is just jump back over the fireball (keeping your charge), then wait to see what he does.

At the beginning of the round, always just walk back. The worst thing that can happen is you'll block a fireball. If he jumps at you, you get free straight up j.RH (even if he does air hurricane kick). After that hits, take just a small step back, then jump at him and do lightning legs as he gets up. From that distance (just outside of Ryu's cr.Short range), there is nothing he can do against lightning legs. All his normals will get beaten cleanly. He will get hit if he tries to jump out. If he tries to Jab DP, it will whiff, and he will then land in the lightning legs, get hit once, then take block damage. If he tries Strong or Fierce DP, he will get hit immediately. Hurricane Kick and Fireball both get beat clean. Unless he has super, his only option is to simply take the block damage.

You can really harrass Ryu quite horribly in the corner. Stay just outside of his cr.Forward/cr.RH range and do st.Forward to snuff his fireball attempts. If he whiffs a cr.Forward or cr.RH, just walk up and throw. If he tries to get fresh with cr.Shorts, you get free cr.RH. Use st.Strong a lot, but not so much that it pushes you out too far.

If you knock him down outside of the corner and you're reasonably close, go for the D/F+RH shenanigans. Even if he gets reversal DP (which is quite rare), sometimes it will just completely whiff.

When you both have meter, you should always have your super stored, but never use it except on reaction. That is, you don't use your super until you see him do something. Even after you see the Shinkuu Hadouken, you have time to counter-super him for free. A lot of times you can just take a free walk up throw because people get nervous when Chun has the super stored. For that reason, you don't really need to "hide" it when you store the super. Let them know it's stored, because it will change how they play, and you can get away with silly things that ordinarilly would never work, like full-screen walk up throw.

I make it a point to build up a level before I ever go on the offense. Chun rushing you down is scary enough, but Chun with meter rushing you down is even worse. Also, the [cr.Forward, cr.Fierce] combo is your best friend. The majority of the time, they will be dizzied, then while charging back, do j.Fierce, st.Strong, cr.RH to knock them over, follow-up depending on the position in the stage. If he's in the corner, do meaty fireball, followed by guessing games. If not in the corner, do a wake-up guessing game.

Random note: meaty head-stomp (as Ryu is getting up) will beat reversal DP cleanly. Be careful when using the head-stomp, though. Depending on the position in the stage, if the head-stomp doesn't kill him, he gets free j.Strong x3 on you, followed by super (if he has meter).

I play against Ken almost the exact same way, but the Ken players generally like to DP a lot more, so I let them whiff, then take my walk-up throw. Also, I'm not sure, but I think Ken's Fierce DP might beat lightning legs. No one's ever done it to me, but I get the feeling Fierce DP would win. Strong DP will work too, but because it doesn't knock down, it's not a viable option. Jab DP whiffs just like Ryu's.

Also, jump straight up RH doesn't always work against Ken's air hurricane kick, so sometimes I'll do cr.RH to him as he lands. If you can get your jump straight up RH out fast, it will usually win, but it's not like against Ryu where you have plenty of time to do it.

As always, I'm probably forgetting something, but that's the gist of it.


-Nicholai!

gbursine 04-11-2005 04:14 PM

NKI, whats the best thing to do w/ chun(and others maybe) when you've gotten the opponent dizzy.(what deals the most damage, w/ or w/out supers)?

JustinW 04-11-2005 07:32 PM

2 more weeks until me, floe, and ricky invade Japan. All these random new names in ST made me confused. lolz...

Korngo 04-11-2005 08:36 PM

I was just wandering, why do they call Bison: "Dictator" ... Sorry, if you explained why previously in this thread. =]

eKiN 04-11-2005 08:36 PM

damn, justin floe and nick in the same place.. maybe i should come visit =] cheaper than going to USA anyway. when are you going back to USA nickyyyy?

vpt_whatup 04-11-2005 09:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Korngo
I was just wandering, why do they call Bison: "Dictator" ... Sorry, if you explained why previously in this thread. =]
I think that it is to remove the confusion from the US and Japanese versions of Street Fighter.

Here are the name changes:

US M. Bison = JP Vega
US Vega = JP Balrog
US Balrog = JP M. Bison

They use the words Dictator, Claw, and Boxer to make sure that they are each talking about the same guy. As far as why dictator, I guess that's part of his storyline.

NKI 04-11-2005 09:34 PM

gbursine - what deals the most damage is not necessarily the best thing to do. If you go by straight damage, I think [cross-up j.Fierce, cr.Forward xx Upkicks] does the most damage, but it's not very easy to land, even on a dizzied opponent. Here are some things you can do:

cross-up j.Forward, cr.Forward xx RH upkicks
~50%, easier to land cross-up j.Forward than cross-up j.Fierce, puts you in good position, but very risky because if you miss the cross-up (if you do just a regular j.Forward), your upkicks will whiff.

j.Fierce, cr.Forward xx Lightning Legs
~50%, but puts you in bad position. Some characters (Ryu, Boxer, etc) even get free super on you if you hit them with that combo.

j.Fierce, st.Fierce xx fireball
~45%, no position advantage.

Personally, I will always just do [j.Fierce, st.Strong, cr.RH] while charging down/back. It does about 40%, knocks over, and you're charged, so you get to follow it up with more pressure. It doesn't do the most damage, but I think it's the best thing to do to a dizzied opponent.

If you have super, I would just do it straight up; don't try to combo it because you're only increasing your chance of messing up. For the record, her most damaging combo with super is a 100% combo:
cross-up j.Forward, backwards st.Strong, st.Jab->st.Jab->cr.Jab xx super, upkicks
Said combo was featured in Volume V (transcript). It requires the opponent to be ducking, so not practical in a real match.

Against some characters, you can do cross-up j.Forward, st.Jab->st.Jab->st.Jab->cr.Jab xx super, upkicks, and that'll do about 99%.

Against all characters except maybe Blanka/Cammy/DeeJay, you can do j.Forward, st.Jab->st.Jab->cr.Jab xx super, upkicks, and that does about 98%.

But here's the deal...
Just straight [super, upkicks] does about 80%, and if you've gotten him dizzy, you must have done at least 20% already, so all of those combos involving supers are practically useless.

Justin - don't worry; it will all start to make sense eventually.

Korngo - I don't use the names Vega/Balrog/Bison in this thread because it would get too confusing who I'm talking about, being that I'm playing the Japanese version, but probably everyone reading this thread plays the American version. I think Claw/Boxer/Dictator is a lot less confusing. I call him "Dictator" 'cause to me he kind of looks like one...dunno if he really is or not, so maybe that's not a good reason...:confused:

eKiN - COME VISIT!! I'll be here until the end of July or so.


-Nicholai!

Ninja Commando 04-11-2005 10:13 PM

Haha,Claw,Boxer,Dictator!Aint it the truth though?At least that what I knew them as before ever playing street fighter. :clap:

vpt_whatup 04-12-2005 03:53 AM

NKI is it posssible for normal people to do a charge b,f move and then a charge b,f,b,f supper immediately after? Or only Daigo? LOL. I'm having trouble with Balrog's.

Lust 04-12-2005 04:21 AM

Wow, NKI, thanks a ton. All I was expecting was a few tips here and there but man, thanks a lot for going so in depth. So hopefully my Chun will be more than st.MP melee now.

Shag 04-12-2005 05:04 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by vpt_whatup
NKI is it posssible for normal people to do a charge b,f move and then a charge b,f,b,f supper immediately after? Or only Daigo? LOL. I'm having trouble with Balrog's.


I believe Boxer can only do that with his ducking upper (charge :l: , :df: :k: ) into his super. Try that.

dznutz 04-12-2005 05:56 AM

couple of q's

how are they treating you there?

how much money do you spend a week food/games/etc?

lastly what are the most popular games there? how does sf 3rd strike fare.

thanks.

dakkonmc 04-12-2005 07:47 AM

NKI, thanks for all the wonderful ST tips. I have to buy you some beers at EVO

el_diablo 04-12-2005 11:43 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by vpt_whatup
NKI is it posssible for normal people to do a charge b,f move and then a charge b,f,b,f supper immediately after? Or only Daigo? LOL. I'm having trouble with Balrog's.


actually, the 1st charge is added to the super. it's easier if you whiff. so it will be:
b, f+k(straight upper), b, f+p(super).
it works with all the b, f charge moves(including the ducking ones).
i think you can actually combo the straight upper into super using that technique, but it's a bit harder. no sure, anyway.

TS 04-12-2005 12:03 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
After that hits, take just a small step back, then jump at him and do lightning legs as he gets up. From that distance (just outside of Ryu's cr.Short range), there is nothing he can do against lightning legs. All his normals will get beaten cleanly. He will get hit if he tries to jump out. If he tries to Jab DP, it will whiff, and he will then land in the lightning legs, get hit once, then take block damage. If he tries Strong or Fierce DP, he will get hit immediately. Hurricane Kick and Fireball both get beat clean. Unless he has super, his only option is to simply take the block damage.
~
Random note: meaty head-stomp (as Ryu is getting up) will beat reversal DP cleanly. Be careful when using the head-stomp, though. Depending on the position in the stage, if the head-stomp doesn't kill him, he gets free j.Strong x3 on you, followed by super (if he has meter).


Is this also true vs O.Ryu? Strong/Fierce DP, I mean. I could have sworn his DP was better...

NKI 04-12-2005 03:16 PM

vpt_whatup - as el_diablo said, you have to buffer the regular dash inside the super motion. So it's:
charge back, towards+Short, back, towards+punch

It works whether the dash hits or whiffs, but it's considerably easier if it whiffs.

TS - O.Ryu's DPs have enough invincibility to get through the Lightning Legs, but the DP will whiff, and he will land in the Lightning Legs.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dznutz
how are they treating you there?
Depends on who you mean by "they", but in general the Japs are really friendly, amazingly polite, and they love foreigners (or at least honkeys).

Quote:
how much money do you spend a week food/games/etc?
Just a rough estimate, but I'd say that in one week, I spend about $100 on food and $10 or $15 on games. The cost of games just depends on how much you're winning. If I go to More on a Friday or Saturday night, I probably won't be winning very much, but if I go on a Sunday or weekday, I can usually get small streaks...maybe a 4- or 5-streak.

Quote:
lastly what are the most popular games there? how does sf 3rd strike fare.
According to Arcadia, for this month the top 10 is as follows:
1: Tekken 5
2: Z-Gundam
3: VF4:FT
4: Virtua Striker 4 (a soccer game, I think...)
5: GGXX#R
6: KOF Neowave
7: KOF2K2
8: Mushi Hime-sama (never heard of it; made by a company called AMI)
9: CFJ
10:ESPGALUDA (never heard of it; also made by AMI)

Keep in mind, this list is for all non-cockpit games, not just for fighting games. 3rd Strike, CvS2, Super Turbo/AE, etc all get plenty of play. I'd say that at least at More, CvS2, CFJ, and GGXX#R get the most play. 3S and ST/AE get a lot of play too, but not as much.


-Nicholai!

gbursine 04-12-2005 03:23 PM

wow. go check out Z gundam nki.

thnx for the advice earlier. much better shit than my s.mp, +s.mp combos on dizzy :xeye:

Drunken Master 04-12-2005 03:41 PM

Why is CFJ beating all other capcom fighters ? I thought it was dead???

Is there hope yet!? :)

NKI 04-12-2005 03:50 PM

Probably because everyone is practicing up for SBO. I've heard more than one person say that after SBO, CFJ will be the next SSF2/Alpha 1/CvS1.


-Nicholai!

mannerbot 04-12-2005 04:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
According to Arcadia, for this month the top 10 is as follows:
8: Mushi Hime-sama (never heard of it; made by a company called AMI)
10:ESPGALUDA (never heard of it; also made by AMI)


Nice to see these CAVE shmups up there. :party:

bellreisa 04-12-2005 04:52 PM

Mushihime and ESP-Galuda are both curtain fire shooting games. </off-topic>

VManOfMana 04-13-2005 12:33 AM

Damn, Bell beat me at it:

Mushihimesama info in English: http://www.click-stick.com/game/mushihime/index.htm

The same page should have links/screens/scans of ESPGaluda as well.

fatboy 04-14-2005 01:07 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI

Guile: Again, there is a myth about O.Guile. I've heard a lot of people claim that O.Guile has faster Sonic Booms and/or faster walking speed, but both of those are easily disproven with Kawaks. I think N.Guile's normals are better...movable st.Forward gives it extra range, back+RH let's Guile advance on the opponent between throwing Sonic Booms. Not to mention N.Guiule can tech throws and do j.Short, cr.Short->cr.Short xx super, which does about 95% damage. (I am not joking...95% damage...and people actually land that combo in matches.)

Hope that helps.


-Nicholai!


Not that it is better than a 95% combo, but you missed a couple things about O.guiles. Don't get me worng the OVERALL package of N.GUile is better.

This is more of an FYI..

ok..

O. Guile's Cr.fwd had much more range.

Also, the release frames are different on the sonic boom. (not any and faster or slower) just differnet hit boxes and animation.

N.guile pulls his arms WAY back and starts his release for the SB almost behind him...

O.Guile SB release starts is much more infront(more like the side) of his body, it is much harder to hit him before release and trade hits. Examples being, claw's MP, dictator's St.RH, Boxer's St.fr.. there are many more examples..

The best place to see this is in the American SFAE guide(good guide by the way, props Mr. Wiz!). Look at pictures of the old and new SB's.. they captured these frames, prob. by accedent but thet are the none the less.

Ps. Thanks for the guide NKI it has been a fun read!!

dogface 04-14-2005 04:02 AM

NKI!

Hey man, great thread. But not nearly enough XvSF!! Does more than one arcade have that game? And you mentioned A1. Do they even have that game in Japan?

Lastly, a lot of people here speculate and hope for a SF4. While that may never happen, people love to dream. Do Jap players ever talk about that or do they just play whatever's hot?

Thanks dood,
Vic

NKI 04-14-2005 03:24 PM

fatboy: When you say O.Guile, do you mean Super Turbo's Old Guile? That's who I'm talking about, and he has the exact same cr.Forward and Sonic Boom as New Guile (standard Super Turbo Guile). If you're talking about WW, CE, HF, or SSF2 Guile, then I dunno because I don't have a copy of AE to test anything on.

Also keep in mind that Super Turbo Old characters are not the same as SSF2 characters...

dogface: the reason there are so few XSF posts is because the XSF scene here is amazingly small. I think there are maybe 6 or 7 people who actually play the game seriously, but even they don't get together often (or at all). Next time I go see ozy, we'll tape some more matches. He still has the old ones from a few months ago, too...

I have never seen A1, ever. I've seen Alpha 2 (Zero 2) once, and I've seen Alpha 2 Gold (Zero 2 Alpha) once, but at both arcades, it was on a single cab.

I only talk to peeps about ST, XSF, and MvC2, so I dunno about SS4. Sorry! :confused:


-Nicholai!

Tantin 04-14-2005 07:36 PM

Best thread evar.

Have you seen any standout Cammy or Fei Long tactics? Also, what's the T5/VF4 scene like?

NKI 04-14-2005 08:52 PM

It's been 6 or 7 months now, and I can only remember seeing one Cammy player. I think he got peaced out pretty fast, too. There are some good Fei players at More, but not many. Maybe two or so. Like all Japanese players, they are really good at landing combos. I've seen stuff like [cross-up Forward, st.Strong, st.Fierce xx Rekka Ken x3] and [cross-up Forward, st.Jab->st.Jab->cr.Jab xx super] in matches.

Their strength is in their poking/rush-down...punishing everything with Rekka Ken x3. You'll be really hesitant to stick a limb out when you keep losing 35% every time it whiffs. The worst part is that even when blocked, it's practically 100% safe to do Fierce Rekka->Strong Rekka from the right distance. Outside of supers, there aren't very many things anyone can do to punish that. But like most Fei players their amazing offense is also their weakness, as they try to flame kick damn near everything and end up whiffing a lot.

But yeah...when they win, it's usually a blow-out...Rush-down City, population: you. :confused:

Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention last time...
There is this Ryu player who goes up to More every once in a while, and he's kind of like the Honda fellow I posted about a while back (the Honda player who only cares about doing the super). This Ryu player is decent, but his gimmick is that he just wants to land [cross-up j.RH, st.Fierce xx super]. He doesn't care about anything else. But I gotta say, he is pretty good at landing it. That combo is really hard, and for the longest time, I had no clue how to do it. The actual command is:
D, D/F, F, neutral+Fierce, D, D/F, F+punch

It looks really easy on paper, but the timing is so strict. Even just in training mode, I can't land it consistently at all. You have to do the first QCF at normal speed, pause as long as possible, then neutral st.Fierce, then QCF+punch as fast as possible. The trick to it is doing the two motions slow enough so that the first one doesn't give you a regular Hadouken, but fast enough so that it registers as a super (as a double motion).


-Nicholai!

Eric J 04-14-2005 10:44 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI

I only talk to peeps about ST, XSF, and MvC2, so I dunno about SS4. Sorry! :confused:


-Nicholai!


He actually said SF4, do the japanese players ever talk about it? You should ask some of them about it.

NKI 04-15-2005 12:04 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eric J
He actually said SF4
Yipes! A true testament to my reading comprehension skills. :confused:

Ahem...but anyway, I haven't heard anything about SF4. Sorry...

On a completely unrelated note, here's my reply to a PM regarding Chun in ST:

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i want to know how to beat her using either old dhalsim or any version vega.
I dunno about O.Sim because nobody here ever uses him, but the basic strat for N.Sim is to fireball/st.Fierce her if you're more than half-screen apart, and throw her a lot if you're up close. She doesn't have very good reversals, and Sim's throw range is a bit bigger, so you want to take advantage of that. If she's rushing you down with st.Strongs, your best option is to throw her (if she's within range) or D/B+Forward xx Yoga Fire. His close cr.Forward is quite fast for a normal.

For some crazy reason, Sim's far st.Fierce will randomly be a low hit against Chun. I don't know why...it only happens from max range, it seems.

If she jumps at you, your only good anti-air is Yoga Breath or super. Everything else will lose to j.Forward, or trade at best. You can also use jump back Fierce if you are at the right distance and react fast enough.

For Claw, you have two ways to beat Chun: rush-down, or wall dives. If you want to rush her down, poke her a lot with cr.Strong, and any time you see her stand up (thus losing her down charge), jump at her with j.RH. His jump is too fast for her to use jump straight up RH. If your j.RH connects, follow up with [cr.Forward, cr.Strong]. If she blocks it, make her guess between throw or [cr.Forward, cr.Strong]. Going off the wall against her is risky because she has so many ways to stop you, but all of those ways get beaten clean by the fake wall dive (charge down, up+punch). If you happen to knock her down once, just keep doing wall dive shenanigans. You can space it so that even if she gets reversal upkicks, she will whiff.

For additional info, see my post from back on page 29:
http://shoryuken.com/forums/showthr...490#post2257490

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i was wondering how do you stop her close mp and far mp into tick throws.
Well, I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is that he does have a way out: Flip Kicks (charge back, towards+kick). The bad news is that if you don't have that charged, there's nothing you can do. Well, you can flip out (3P or 3K), but then she still gets a free throw anyway...

If you're absolutely sure she will go for the throw, Flip Kick her. If you're not sure, just go for cr.Forward. It's not reliable, but unfortunately, it's the best he has.

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i've been thrown after a connected jumpin mk with guile, i've been thrown after an empty jump in by her and i've been thrown trying to empty jump in on her.
If you get thrown after a jumping attack, it means you did it too early, or you did your following move too late. She doesn't get a free throw off of Guile's j.Forward.

As for the empty jump-ins, the person who jumped in is at a disadvantage. There are frames of landing where you can't defend, but you can be hit. If she does empty jump-in on you, you get a free throw. It's not free in the sense that you can be sloppy with the timing (you do have to time it well), but it's definitely free.

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another thing that gives me major trouble against her is her flipping neckbreaker.
Against Claw, Sim, and Guile, it will never be a cross-up, so always block the original way. Against Ryu, it can cross-up, so you just have to watch her. If she does it from point blank range, it will cross-up, otherwise block as normal. If you try to reversal DP, it will whiff, so don't try it. (Plus you'd have to get your direction correct.) Sim and Vega have nothing they can do safely to reverse. Guile can Flash Kick, but if Chun does the D/F+RH correctly, the Flash Kick will whiff. The best option is almost always just to block.

That's one of the main reasons I play Chun...her D/F+RH is one of the best normals in the game, if not the best.


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another thing is i have little to no idea how to fight a jump back turtlin chun
The way to beat a turtle Chun is to out-turtle her. Anyone with a motion fireball (not a charge fireball) can out turtle her. Even if you're playing Guile, you can still out-turtle her. When I lose to Guile, it's almost always because I got impatient and tried to break out of the shell, but turtling is the best option. If she's jumping back a lot, characters with a fast fireball (Ryu, Sim, Sagat), can make her land on it after she jumps.

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lastly, what can be done about point blank lightning legs besides super and vegas flip anti air? i think flash kick might beat it but is there anything fei and especially sim has that can knock her out of it or trade in his favor?
I don't remember clearly, but I'm fairly sure Flash Kick will beat it clean. Fei and Sim have no good options other than to block. Fei's flame kick will whiff, so don't try it. Sim can teleport, but that can be risky. Sim can also super, but a very important thing to remember is that if you are playing ST, Sim can not do reversal super. If you correctly time a reversal super, you will simply get the last special move you did (probably Yoga Fire, Yoga Flame, or Yoga Breath), all of which lose clean to Lightning Legs. If you're playing as Ken, Sagat, or Dhalsim, never attempt to do a reversal super in ST. (This glitch was fixed in AE.)

Hope that helps,


-Nicholai!

fatboy 04-15-2005 12:51 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
fatboy: When you say O.Guile, do you mean Super Turbo's Old Guile? That's who I'm talking about, and he has the exact same cr.Forward and Sonic Boom as New Guile (standard Super Turbo Guile). If you're talking about WW, CE, HF, or SSF2 Guile, then I dunno because I don't have a copy of AE to test anything on.

-Nicholai!


Thanks for asking for clarity. :xeye:

I was talking about the three early versions of Guile:WW, CE, and Turbo.

His SB start up starts much more in front of his body/sprite in these versions.

Anyway, no big matter! Thanks for the tread and posts. :tup:

Musashi 04-15-2005 09:19 AM

How do the Japanese say the games? Like what if you want to play CvS2 or ST? Do you say /japanese [hey let's play]/japanese (ST -saying the "Super Turbo in english) Does my example make any sense? Same goes with XvSF and the like.

NKI 04-15-2005 01:50 PM

Are you asking what they call the different versions of Street Fighter? If so, here are the ones I know of:

SF (the series as a whole) = スト = "suto" (short for "Street Fighter")
WW = 初代 = "shodai" (means "first generation")
CE = ダッシュ = "dasshu" = (Japanese pronunciation of "Dash")
HF = ターボ = "taabo" = (Japanese pronunciation of "Turbo")
SSF2 = スーパー = "suupaa" = (Japanese pronunciation of "Super")
ST = エックス = "ekusu" = (Japanese pronunciation of "X")
AE = ハイパー = "haipaa" = (Japanese pronunciation of "Hyper")
XSF = ペキスト = "peki suto" ("peki" means "X")
MvC2 = マーベル = "maaberu" = (Japanese pronunciation of "Marvel")
CvS2 = カプエス = "kapu esu" (combination of the first two syllables from the Japanese pronunciation of "Capcom" and first two from "SNK")
3S = サード = "saado" = (Japanese pronunciation of "Third")
CFJ = ジャム = "jamu" = (Japanese pronunciation of "Jam")

I hope that's what you were asking...:confused:


-Nicholai!

Saotome Kaneda 04-15-2005 02:46 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Are you asking what they call the different versions of Street Fighter? If so, here are the ones I know of:

SF (the series as a whole) = スト = "suto" (short for "Street Fighter")
WW = 初代 = "shodai" (means "first generation")
CE = ダッシュ = "Dash"
HF = ターボ = "Turbo"
SSF2 = スーパー = "Super"
ST = エックス = "X"
AE = ハイパー = "Hyper"
XSF = ペキスト = "peki suto" ("peki" means "X")
MvC2 = マーベル = "Marvel"
CvS2 = カプエス = "kapu esu" (combination of the first two syllables from the Japanese pronunciation of "Capcom" and first two from "SNK")
3S = サード = "Third"
CFJ = ジャム = "Jam"

I hope that's what you were asking...:confused:


-Nicholai!

Beat me to it. n_n;

popo187 04-15-2005 03:49 PM

im curious as to how your entire day goes (usual day) ending with some gaming. :)



you should just make a blog instead of posting here, and u can just update this thread with "updated on so-so". :P

? ? ? ? 04-16-2005 05:57 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by the almighty 1
I don't understand why anyone still plays this shitty game after 10 years


Perhaps the reason we still play it is because it's not a "shitty" game.

Musashi 04-16-2005 06:14 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Are you asking what they call the different versions of Street Fighter? If so, here are the ones I know of:

SF (the series as a whole) = スト = "suto" (short for "Street Fighter")
WW = 初代 = "shodai" (means "first generation")
CE = ダッシュ = "Dash"
HF = ターボ = "Turbo"
SSF2 = スーパー = "Super"
ST = エックス = "X"
AE = ハイパー = "Hyper"
XSF = ペキスト = "peki suto" ("peki" means "X")
MvC2 = マーベル = "Marvel"
CvS2 = カプエス = "kapu esu" (combination of the first two syllables from the Japanese pronunciation of "Capcom" and first two from "SNK")
3S = サード = "Third"
CFJ = ジャム = "Jam"

I hope that's what you were asking...:confused:


-Nicholai!


Is there another way you can write it out? All I see is boxes after the American names of the games, but like for example for CvS2, if it's just read and spoken as "kapu esu" then it's ok, but yea, that's what I meant. I guess it couldn't explain it any easier. My fault :razzy:

Toodles 04-16-2005 08:10 AM

methinks you need to add Japanese support to your browser; I see (kanji?hirigana? hell if I know) japanese characters in his post and Saetome's reply.

NKI 04-16-2005 01:02 PM

I updated the original post with romaji, for those who don't have Japanese fonts installed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by popo187
im curious as to how your entire day goes (usual day) ending with some gaming. :)
My average day is nothing special, really. I get up, go to class, hang out around campus with friends for a while, come home, screw around online for a little while, study, watch some wacky Japanese TV, maybe go for a walk. I only play games on the weekends, usually Friday and/or Saturday, because that's when the hottest competition is out.

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you should just make a blog instead of posting here, and u can just update this thread with "updated on so-so". :P
I keep all of my non-gaming stuff here: http://umsl.edu/~nki4z3


-Nicholai!

NKI 04-17-2005 12:31 AM

Here's a true testament to how good Japanese arcades are. Tonight on the AE cab at More, 2P's Strong button was really dodgy, only working maybe 75% of the time or so. As a Chun player, I can't have that, because I make my living off of st.Strong. I went to the staff, told them the button was iffy. They came over right away, didn't even check to see if it was working or not, just took my word for it and straight up replaced it, no questions asked, gave me a free game, and then apologized. The way it should be!

*EDIT*
The following was incorrectly reported as More Vega at first, but it was actually Yuu Vega. Post updated.

Tonight I also saw the longest ST/AE streak I have ever seen in my life. Yuu Vega (the guy who plays Dictator) was regulating fools like it was the end of the world, and he racked up FIFTY SIX WINS in a row..........:confused:

At More, that is completely unheard-of. The previous highest streak I had ever seen was maybe 16 or 17. I also saw the fastest round I have ever seen in my life. Don't ask me why, but some random fool tried to get fresh with WW Chun. Yuu Vega just started the round by jumping at her and landing a cross-up j.RH, st.Short, st.Short, cr.Forward xx Scissor Kicks, dizzy, repeat, dead. The round was over in a matter of seconds.

I played him probably about 6 or 7 times before I finally beat him and ended his streak. Afterwards I went up and started chatting with him, but he was being hella Japanese about it. (read: amazingly humble and polite)

NKI: So, how many wins was that...? Fifty something?
Yuu Vega: I don't know; I wasn't really keeping track...
NKI: I think it was 56. That's pretty impressive. Your Vega is hella good.
Yuu Vega: Oh, not really...
NKI: Yes, really...you're off the hook.
Yuu Vega: Aah, well, Vega's top tier and all, and I've been playing the game for 10 years...
NKI: :wtf:

Even though he straight dominated fools for I don't even know how many hours straight, he's Japanese, so there wasn't a trace of arrogance or cockiness to be found. He wouldn't even admit that he's good. But I'd expect no less from the Japanese...


-Nicholai!

Eishi 04-17-2005 04:18 AM

Heh, since when Vega (dictator) is top tier ? :confused:

dialupsucky 04-17-2005 04:26 AM

vega/m.bison has always been considerd a good character I thought unless something has changed....

anyway NKI do you have any idea how to juggle 2 jumping strongs with ryu but get both hits to hit? Ive gotten it for a 4 hit combo before so I know it is possible somehow. Though I did do it on the cpu, so maybe the cpu randomly decided it wanted to get juggled more for some reason lol. Whatever the case I have done it before, but have no idea how I did it. Do you know?

Eishi 04-17-2005 07:16 AM

Vega dictator is bottom tier/low-mid in ST. That doesn't mean he's worthless, just that there are better characters. As for the juggle thing, you can only do 3 hits, same thing goes for every character in the game (Deejay and his flashkick, dictator and his jumping strong...).

dialupsucky 04-17-2005 07:40 AM

OBVIOUSLY thats why i asked how i got 4. Im sure its some bug or something. And you can juggle for more then just 3 hits in the game, just not with a jumping strong alone.

dogberry 04-17-2005 09:26 AM

Dictator is bottom/mid tier in ST? You've got to be kidding. Care to explain?

Eishi 04-17-2005 09:37 AM

Here is the character ranking that can be found on T. Akiba's web page (http://games.t-akiba.net/sf2/diagrama.html) wich is a very reliable source of information :

1) gouki
2) o.sagat
2) dhalsim
4) balrog (claw)
5) bison (boxer)
6) deejay
7) o.balrog (claw)
8) guile
9) o.dhalsim
10) chunli
11) o.chunli
12) ryu
13) sagat
14) o.bison (boxer)
15) o.guile
16) honda
17) o.honda
18) blanka
19) o.ryu
20) vega (dic)
21) o.ken
22) feilong
23) cammy
23) o.cammy
25) o.feilong
26) o.vega (dic)
27) ken
27) o.deejay
29) o.hawk
30) hawk
31) zangief
32) o.zangief
33) o.blanka


If you left out the characters that are rarely used it goes like this :

1) o.sagat
1) dhalsim
3) balrog (claw)
4) bison (boxer)
5) deejay
6) guile
7) chunli
8) ryu
9) honda
10) blanka
11) vega (dic)
12) feilong
13) cammy
14) ken
15) hawk
16) zangief

N-Ken 04-17-2005 09:45 AM

He said someone picked WW Chun, meaning it was AE, so he was probably using CE dictator, very much top tier.

SiLLiEMutAfuKA 04-17-2005 11:58 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by N-Ken
He said someone picked WW Chun, meaning it was AE, so he was probably using CE dictator, very much top tier.


Exactly, he said AE, not ST.

livinglegend 04-17-2005 01:05 PM

To anyone who is living in japan (NKI?):
Do they have weekly tournaments or is SBO still going on? Only reason i ask is that i'll be visiting next week and really want to see some high level comp. I'm planning on at least making it to MORE on a busy night. Would it be bad if i videotaped matches?

Musashi 04-17-2005 03:26 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eishi

If you left out the characters that are rarely used it goes like this :

1) o.sagat
1) dhalsim
3) balrog (claw)
4) bison (boxer)
5) deejay
6) guile
7) chunli
8) ryu
9) honda
10) blanka
11) vega (dic)
12) feilong
13) cammy
14) ken
15) hawk
16) zangief


Deejay at 6? Someone wanna explain?

RushDown178 04-17-2005 03:34 PM

Ken all the way down there? Someone also explain.

Ouroborus 04-17-2005 03:50 PM

bison (dictator) is definitely upper top tier.

UltraDavid 04-17-2005 05:08 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eishi
1) o.sagat
2) dhalsim
3) balrog (claw)
4) bison (boxer)
5) deejay
6) guile
7) chunli
8) ryu
9) honda
10) blanka
11) vega (dic)
12) feilong
13) cammy
14) ken
15) hawk
16) zangief

Blanka so high? Dictator so low? Ken so low? Zangief so low? Claw so high? What in the world?

Eishi 04-17-2005 08:35 PM

I don't have all the knowledge needed to explain why the ranking is the way it is, but from my experience as a player it totally makes sense to me. Remember that every character in the game is usable and has some sort of potential, no one is worthless.

dogberry 04-17-2005 10:32 PM

I don't know why those rankings are the way they are, with dictator and ken so low, and DJ and Guile above Chun and Ryu. Perhaps NKI can ask the Japanese about those rankings?

I can't see how Ryu is ranked lower than DJ and Guile. He has bad matches against Sim and Vega, he doesn't like Rog, Old Sagat and maybe Zangief, but he's good or at least even against everyone else.

Guile, however, loses to Ryu, Blanka, Chun, Sim, DJ, Vega and Rog as well. DJ loses to RYu/Ken, Dhalsim, Vega, and Old Sagat.

And Bison is a good all-around character. He has bad matches against Zangief and Honda, but he can hang with just about everyone else. Even in those fights that he loses (except for Gief and Honda) he doesn't have too big a disadvantage.

I don't know why they rank new Ken so low either. Even lower than Honda and Blanka?

caliagent#3 04-17-2005 11:08 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eishi
Here is the character ranking that can be found on T. Akiba's web page (http://games.t-akiba.net/sf2/diagrama.html) wich is a very reliable source of information :




If you left out the characters that are rarely used it goes like this :

1) o.sagat
1) dhalsim
3) balrog (claw)
4) bison (boxer)
5) deejay
6) guile
7) chunli
8) ryu
9) honda
10) blanka
11) vega (dic)
12) feilong
13) cammy
14) ken
15) hawk
16) zangief


I don't know how much weight can be put into this list. How the hell is ken worst than cammy, lol. The dictator is most def. higher in the tier ranking, there's no way he's that low.

NKI 04-18-2005 01:08 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by dialupsucky
anyway NKI do you have any idea how to juggle 2 jumping strongs with ryu but get both hits to hit?
You need to time the first j.Strong so that it hits a grounded opponent as he is in his pre-jump animation (while he is still on the ground, but starting to jump). It will register as two hits, and then you can juggle again with j.Strong for another two hits, giving you four hits total. It can probably be done with all juggle moves, but I've only done it with Ryu.

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Originally Posted by livinglegend
Do they have weekly tournaments or is SBO still going on?
I don't know of any place that has weekly tourneys, but there are still tourneys here and there. The next one will be on the 24th, if you'll be here at that time. To be honest, Friday and/or Saturday night at More is where you'll find the hottest comp. More Vega, More Balrog, Tama, and the rest of the More crew are hella good at ST.

As for those ST rankings, even though T.Akiba has hands-down the best ST site on the web, I severely disagree with a lot of those rankings. Ryu, Dic, and Ken are way too low; Zangief is definitely not the worst in the game; Blanka is way too high, etc.

Don't take those rankings as the word of God. As a Chun player, I disagree with a lot of her match-up rankings on that page, notably Blanka and Zangief (who I think Chun does quite well against, Zangief easily being her best match), but especially, Fei/O.Fei. I think N.Fei does FAR better against Chun because it's the Chicken Wing (Tiger Knee move) that owns her so bad. Without that move, Chun has no big problems with Fei.

Also, I disagree with his ranking for Chun vs. Boxer/O.Boxer. He says against N.Boxer it's 5/5, and against O.Boxer it's 6/4 in Chun's favor. I would say it's more like 6/4 Chun over N.Boxer, and 6/4 or even 7/3 O.Boxer over Chun. When I play against Tama (one of the best Boxer players in the world), I can win matches against his N.Boxer, but I have never won a single round against his O.Boxer. 0-for-life. The problem is O.Boxer's Jab rush. From the right distance, it will beat lightning legs clean, and when it trades with her fireball, it does nearly triple the damage in Boxer's favor. Factor in that it can't be ducked (and it's doing block damage), it makes for a world of trouble for Chun, whereas she can use Lightning Legs to stop just about everything N.Boxer has.

My personal view of ST rankings would go something like this (in no particular order)...

Top-tier:
Boxer, Claw, Dic, O.Sagat, Sim

Top of the middle tier:
Chun, Ryu, Guile, possibly DeeJay

Middle tier:
Ken/O.Ken, Honda, Fei, possibly DeeJay

Low middle tier:
Gief

High bottom tier:
Hawk

Low bottom tier:
Cammy, Blanka

DeeJay has some really deadly stuff (ambiguous cross-up, Machine Gun TOD combos), but it seems kind of hard to land...kind of impractical against a lot of characters. But his normal moves (cr.Strong, cr.Forward, and especially cr.Fierce) have unreal priority. I usually see him in action against Chun, Guile, Ryu, Sagat, and Dic. I'd need to see him against the rest of the cast to make a clear decision.


-Nicholai!

Ultima 04-18-2005 02:21 AM

NKI:

Nice rankings there (from the sounds of it, More Vega is my hero; DICTATOR 4 LIFE :D). And they seem to be more accurate to me than those T.Akiba listings. Aren't those rankings really old though? I think I saw Julien Beasely post that link years ago with probably the same rankings (I don't know, since everything on that page is gibberish to me, and I have JPN fonts installed).

Also, what about N.Sagat? And do you think you could do a decent ranking of all the characters including all the OG characters, or do you not have enough info?

Eishi 04-18-2005 02:42 AM

NKI, can you explain why you think Dic is top tier ? It really surprises me that you put him on the same level as o.sagat, claw, sim and boxer :confused:

Ryu1999 04-18-2005 02:54 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eishi
NKI, can you explain why you think Dic is top tier ? It really surprises me that you put him on the same level as o.sagat, claw, sim and boxer :confused:


Are you serious? Retarded walking speed, crossup games, scissor kick tick game, stupid long-range poke (st. mk), not to mention ruling the air? I think you're the first person I've ever seen that thought Bison wasn't around top :bluu:

Eishi 04-18-2005 03:42 AM

It's easy to list up all the pros and let out the cons to make a character seem overpowered. Do the same with sim, boxer, o. sagat and claw and you'll see that there's no way he can be put in the same league as them. IMO he's at best mid tier, but certainly not top tier.

margalis 04-18-2005 04:58 AM

What did T.Akiba say about Chun vs. Blanka exactly? In my view as a Blanka player that's one of Blanka's worst matches. There's basically nothing Blanka can do against Chun's jumping forward kick other than ball underneath it to avoid it.

Ryu1999 04-18-2005 05:49 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eishi
It's easy to list up all the pros and let out the cons to make a character seem overpowered. Do the same with sim, boxer, o. sagat and claw and you'll see that there's no way he can be put in the same league as them. IMO he's at best mid tier, but certainly not top tier.


I guess it really depends on how many people you put into each tier :) Bison (dictator) is underneath the characters you listed, but he's above everyone else on the roster, so technically he could be top.

dialupsucky 04-18-2005 01:00 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
You need to time the first j.Strong so that it hits a grounded opponent as he is in his pre-jump animation (while he is still on the ground, but starting to jump). It will register as two hits, and then you can juggle again with j.Strong for another two hits, giving you four hits total. It can probably be done with all juggle moves, but I've only done it with Ryu.


cool thanks.

NKI 04-18-2005 03:13 PM

Whoops! Just realized I left Fei out of my rakings above, so I updated the post.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultima
Aren't those rankings really old though? I think I saw Julien Beasely post that link years ago with probably the same rankings
Yeah, his page has been around for a while, so I wouldn't be surprised if those rankings are severely out-dated.

Quote:
Also, what about N.Sagat? And do you think you could do a decent ranking of all the characters including all the OG characters, or do you not have enough info?
I would say N.Sagat is right around middle tier. He's definitely usable, but nowhere near as good as O.Sagat. Actually, one of More Vega's screw-around characters is N.Sagat, and he can use him pretty well.

Before I lay out my view of the complete tier rankings, let me just preface it by saying that I could be completely wrong about a lot of the old characters, due to sheer lack of experience seeing them and playing against them. The only ones I ever see are O.Ken, O.Ryu, O.Fei, and O.Sagat, so for the rest it's all Theory Fighter.

Top-tier:
N.Boxer, N.Claw, N.Dic, O.Sagat, N.Sim

Top of the middle tier:
N.Chun, N.Ryu, N.Guile, possibly N.DeeJay

Middle tier:
O.Sim, N.Ken, O.Guile, O.Ken, O.Ryu, O.Boxer, N.Sagat, N.Honda, N.Fei, possibly N.DeeJay, O.Dic, O.Chun

Low middle tier:
N.Gief, O.Claw, O.Fei, O.DeeJay

High bottom tier:
N.Hawk, O.Honda, O.Gief

Low bottom tier:
N.Cammy, N.Blanka, O.Hawk

Pretty much worthless:
O.Cammy, O.Blanka

Does that seem fair...?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eishi
NKI, can you explain why you think Dic is top tier ? It really surprises me that you put him on the same level as o.sagat, claw, sim and boxer :confused:
Strengths:
-Fast walking speed.
-Easiest, most useful TOD (Touch of Death) combo; one mistake can cost you the round.
-Ambiguous cross-up j.Forward/j.RH.
-Ambiguous cross-up slide (after teched throw), and even if you block it right, Dic still has advantage.
-Ambiguous cross-up Psycho Crusher against downed opponents in the corner; if you guess wrong, you'll probably lose the round (TOD combo).
-Excellent normals (st.Short, st.Forward/st.RH, j.Strong)
-Extremely good block damage traps with Scissor Kicks and st.Short.
-Headstomp is great against fireballers, especially with the ambiguous cross-up palm afterwards.
-Good super.
-Does well against the top-tier; doesn't have many bad matches.

Weaknesses:
-Aside from j.Strong, no good anti-air.
-Aside from super, no good reversal.

Quote:
Originally Posted by margalis
What did T.Akiba say about Chun vs. Blanka exactly? In my view as a Blanka player that's one of Blanka's worst matches. There's basically nothing Blanka can do against Chun's jumping forward kick other than ball underneath it to avoid it.
That's the problem...he doesn't say anything about the specific match-ups. He just gives a ten-point ratio for each match. He has Blanka/Chun listed as 5/5, but I think that match is a wash-out in Chun's favor. Maybe 7/3, or even 8/2. Against Blanka, I actually never use j.Forward (or any offense, really). He just doesn't have any good way that I know of to get in on a good turtle Chun.


-Nicholai!

fatboy 04-21-2005 02:47 AM

bump... all that have read this tread can say that this is a good thread to bump...

UltraDavid 04-21-2005 04:44 AM

NKI, I'm trying to learn T Hawk, but I can't for the life of me consistently do his spinning typhoon. I play Gief, and I can tick into his spd or standing spd or do the running bear grab just about every time without problems, and I can do the same with Hugo in Third Strike and Gief in CvS2, so the 360 motion isn't normally a problem for me. Does Hawk's require a different motion or something? And why is he tiered as lowly as he is? It seems to me like he has a lot of good tools.

VManOfMana 04-21-2005 06:10 AM

NKI: a little off-topic, but do you have an impressions of the Melty Blood Act Cadenza scene? Any comments from players? Reports of beezlebubble (sp?) and other places online indicate that the game is doing pretty well. Is there anything you can add from your personal experience? Thanks.

the almighty 1 04-21-2005 08:45 AM

Dear Nki, ST geek I have a question

why is guile such a gay and why are all guile players so gay?

I wish I could be that gay :nunchuck: :nunchuck: :nunchuck: :nunchuck:

I am now in fear or receiving feedback from angry gay people, please help me fights off the gay guile fans :nunchuck: :nunchuck: :nunchuck:

margalis 04-21-2005 10:22 AM

T. Hawk gets off the ground faster than Gief so it's easier to accidentally jump with him while trying to get a 360. That's my theory anyway.

MagnetGenocide 04-21-2005 10:27 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by the almighty 1
Dear Nki, ST geek I have a question

why is guile such a gay and why are all guile players so gay?

I wish I could be that gay :nunchuck: :nunchuck: :nunchuck: :nunchuck:

I am now in fear or receiving feedback from angry gay people, please help me fights off the gay guile fans :nunchuck: :nunchuck: :nunchuck:


Go back to gamefaqs.com you fag. :rofl:

CLOVISx2 04-21-2005 11:40 AM

NKI: great thread, very imformative,keep up the good work

Got a couple questions for you concerning N.Chun, and your fav. move of her's, the all great D/F RH.

Now I've heard there are three different times to execute this move, mostly on wake-up.
1. The crossup version
2. The non crossup version
3. To whiff the move and land right in front of your opp., allowing for a throw.

Correct me if I was told wrong, are there any other uses? I use all three to moderate success.

Anyway, I was wondering if you could give an in-depth explanation of when to use which version, and against who.

Toodles 04-21-2005 11:51 AM

Im just gonna a question to that: My N.Claw got ate alive by a Chun doing a deep, crossup, super meaty d/f.roundhouse, s.strong, throw sequence. Since I was crossed up, I couldn't reversal flipkick on wakeup, and it didn't feel like I had enough time to charge a reversal flipkick to get out of the tick throw. What options does Vega have to get around that setup? It seemed like the only thing I could do was tech throw for a litle breathing room, but as soon as I got knocked down, it would repeat. Any suggestions here would be appreciated.

NKI 04-22-2005 04:56 PM

UltraDavid - I agree with margalis. Though I've never tested it out frame-by-frame, I am fairly sure Hawk has a lot less pre-jump animation (he leaves the ground faster), so you have to be quicker and more accurate with your 360s.

He is so low in the tiers because he has too many matches that are just awful. If he gets in, it's usually GGPO, especially for chartacters with no good reversal (Dic, Claw, Chun, Sim, Blanka, etc). The problem is trying to get in. Once he's in your face, he has some very deadly stuff, like no-risk option-selected 360, and guaranteed +65% damage super against some characters. He would be really good if he had a Green Hand, or a Lariat, or faster walking speed, or something so that he wouldn't get owned so hard by fireball characters. Well, and he'd need something to use against Honda, too...

VManOfMana - sorry, I have no idea about any scenes other than ST/AE, XSF, and MvC2. I don't even think I could pick out Melty Blood in a line-up. :confused:

CLOVISx2 - Chun's D/F+RH is the damn craziest. As the opponent is getting up, she can whiff D/F+RH to get to the opposite side of any character, but the next move Chun does will be backwards (and will whiff), so it's not very useful. It will only hit as a cross-up on certain characters. Some characters always block it the same way (not as a cross-up), while some have to block accordingly.

Which characters can Chun cross-up?

Ryu: yes
Ken: yes
Honda: no
Chun: no
Blanka: no
Zangief: no
Guile: yes
Sim: no
Hawk: yes
Cammy: yes
Fei: yes
DeeJay: yes
Boxer: yes
Claw: no
Sagat: no
Dictator: no

Even though you can't cross-up Sagat with D/F+RH, if you hit him with it, you can walk under him for the cross-up. It's pretty easy to see and block correctly, but I do it just to keep them on their toes.

Toodles - it's hard for Claw to do avoid getting thrown, especially when you don't have Flip Kicks charged. In that particular situation, you could do 3K flip to avoid the initial meaty D/F+RH. Because she'll be going for an immediate st.Strong afterwards, she will whiff that, and you will have time to recover safely. However, if she starts anticipating the flip, there's nothing you can do except out-guess her. If you're facing a Chun who doesn't use the throw range advantage, of course you could always reversal throw her first, but if done properly, Claw's best option is probably just to tech.

Getting thrown is probably Claw's biggest weakness because he just doesn't have a good answer for it, other than if you have a charge.


-Nicholai!

CLOVIS 04-23-2005 11:40 AM

Thanks for the info NKI, that cross-up guide really helped. Keep up the good work.

Ultima 04-24-2005 04:22 AM

Just to confirm, what is Dic's TOD: Is it cross-up MK, s.LK,s.LK, c.MK, HK Scissors Kick? It doesn't seem to work on every character, and/or is really hard on some.

Also, I have a lot of difficulty performing the above combo using only one s.LK. Without 2 s.LKs, it seems I'm just not charged for the scissors, but I'm not sure if it's me or my joystick or what. I can do j.MK, s.LKx2, Scissors no problem, but cross-up MK, s.LK, c.MK, Scissors gives me a lot of trouble - the scissors just doesn't come out most of the time.

And how in god's name do you combo in Dic's super? As in what are the exact button + direction requirements? I tried to negative edge it and I've never been able to pull it off. :(

NKI 04-24-2005 06:29 PM

Ultima - the first part of Dic's ToD has several different variations, so you can take your pick:

cross-up j.RH, st.Short, st.Short, st.Short xx Fierce Psycho Crusher
cross-up j.RH, st.Short, st.Short, st.Short, st.RH (walk forward while comboing)
cross-up j.RH, st.Short, st.Short, cr.Forward xx Scissor Kicks
j.Forward, st.Short, cr.Forward xx Scissor Kicks

Except for that last one, I'm not 100% sure that they all work on every character. Blanka is always questionable, because his hitbox is hella screwed up. After a cross-up, I'm pretty sure you must do st.Short x2, otherwise you won't have time to charge.

Comboing into his super isn't the most useful, given that his ToD combos are so good. If you wanted to do cr.Strong xx super, it would be:
charge down/back, towards, back, down/towards+Strong~any kick

cr.Jab->cr.Jab->st.Jab xx super:
while charging down/back, cr.Jab->cr.Jab, towards, back, neutral+Jab, towards+any kick

cr.Forward xx super:
charge down/back, towards, back, down+Forward kick, towards+any kick
You can do it as a half-circle motion, with cr.Forward in the middle. Has to be fast though, or else you'll lose your charge for the super.


-Nicholai!

KungfuJoe 04-25-2005 07:23 AM

this has been a good read so far keep up the good work NKI

thanks

KFJ

Ouroborus 04-25-2005 04:44 PM

maybe i'm talkin my ass but i think blanka is underrated.

he has so many tools to work with like front and back hop, slide and crossup ball shennenigans. his normal moves seems pretty good with good range and his air to air game seems above average.

its a shame his ball got raped since most of the characters can punish him even tho it connects.

NKI 04-26-2005 05:46 PM

Blanka definitely has some tomfoolery and shenanigans, so he's not completely useless, but he gets wrecked by too many characters to be anything other than bottom tier. He has to rely too much on one-shot tricks or the opponent screwing up to win.

But he does all right against random characters, like Guile...


-Nicholai!

insanelee 04-26-2005 06:35 PM

niiiiiiick. see you next week nikka!

bronson.

sondogg 04-27-2005 09:10 AM

I have a question, about hitting normal moves into supers. I have a really really hard time doing it with just about all characters and was wondering who can connect what into supers and the such.

Pained Auron 04-27-2005 09:44 AM

so what exactly are chun's best moves?

NKI 04-27-2005 12:08 PM

Broooooooonson.. .
See you next week!

sondogg - every non-throw super can be comboed into (so everyone except Gief, Hawk, and Claw). Not all normals can be cancelled into super, but a lot of them can (even normals that can't be cancelled into specials, like Boxer's cr.Fierce). I don't know every character's super-cancelable moves all by heart because that list is huge, but is there a particular character you had in mind?

Pained Auron - Chun's useful moves really depend on her opponent, but in general, the moves I use a lot are:

st.Strong, cr.Forward, and cr.RH for rushdown and footsies
st.Forward for Hadouken stuffer
close st.Fierce for meaties
cr.Fierce for dizzy combos
D/F+RH for crazy cross-up meaties

neutral j.Short for anti-air/anti-Fei Long Chicken Wing
j.Forward for general purpose jump-in
neutral j.RH for anti-air

I use all of her specials. Lightning Legs is probably the best move she has because it's totally invincible in the front. Upkicks kinda suck, but the Short version can be used for reversals and anti-air. Short Spinning Bird Kick is invincible at the beginning, so I use it as a reversal sometimes, or to avoid block damage death. Ground throw and air throw are both really good. Air throw can be used as anti-air and anti-Butt Slam (Honda).

Her super is excellent. Invincible in the beginning, can go through fireballs, can be stored (activatable in one frame with the press of a button), can be used as anti-air (will ground the opponent for all 6 hits, then follow with RH Upkicks for +65%), is totally safe if blocked, and sometimes even if it whiffs.

Am I forgetting anything?


-Nicholai!

jms 04-27-2005 12:51 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Am I forgetting anything?


-Nicholai!


Were you going for comprehensive or just the most important things? I guess you could mention rapid fire jabs for stopping sim drills. Her j.forward crossup is tough to space, but ambiguous, and can lead a great combo or often a throw. A meaty j.short as they're getting up off the ground is a good way to test how confident your opponent is with reversals.

I'm curious about her c.fierce. Does that have more dizzy potential than a far s.fierce?

gbursine 04-27-2005 01:01 PM

i'm curious about c.fierce too. do I just stick it out, or are there smart ways of comboing into it?

& i was playin thisguilekillsya on kallera(the question is still legit)...and he was using ryu.

he dizzied me hella fast w/ his ryu, just b/c he added like 3 c.lk's before he comboed into anything. Is this the case w/ all characters(and thus chun?), or was that some specific ryu thingy...

also, i forgot if we were playing ST or HF... that may've also been the reason.

NKI 04-27-2005 04:51 PM

jms - you are right, I forgot to mention st.Jab. It doesn't have a lot of good uses, but it is excellent for snuffing Sim's drills (and the mummy), and Honda's Headbutts. I was just going for an overall assessment of her moves that I use the most, but st.Jab is worth mentioning for sure.

Also, I use st.RH after I block Dic's Headstomp. If he does anything other than fly away, he will get hit clean, regardless of which side he goes to. st.Forward and st.Fierce can be used for anti-air against some characters, but I would always go with neutral j.RH, because it knocks down.

gbursine - I use cr.Forward, cr.Fierce as a combo, and it will dizzy most of the time. If it doesn't dizzy, the next move almost certainly will. I primarily use it as a meaty as they're getting up. [cr.Forward, cr.Fierce (dizzy), j.RH, st.Strong, cr.RH, meaty Fireball] does about 75% damage, plus if he was knocked down to start with, he is probably pretty close to death, plus I get guessing games afterwards. After a few games, unless people can land reversals damn near 100%, they usually stop trying, 'cause it's just not worth it against her.

I think cr.Fierce and st.Fierce do about the same dizzy damage, but st.Fierce can be ducked, so I only do cr.Fierce.


-Nicholai!

sondogg 04-28-2005 01:49 AM

Quote:
sondogg - every non-throw super can be comboed into (so everyone except Gief, Hawk, and Claw). Not all normals can be cancelled into super, but a lot of them can (even normals that can't be cancelled into specials, like Boxer's cr.Fierce). I don't know every character's super-cancelable moves all by heart because that list is huge, but is there a particular character you had in mind?


NKI - Yeah sorry about that about my post earlier the characters I had in mind are Ryu,Ken,Guile, and Boxer those are the 4 I mainly use in ST so more help would be appreciated.

box 04-28-2005 02:04 AM

NKI: Have you met up with Ricky and Justin yet? How are they faring in casual play in Japan?

My guess is they're practicing a lot on 3S to try to win that last chance qualifier. What about CFE/CvS2/MvC2?

Sabin 04-28-2005 02:18 AM

Theyre staying at NKIzzle's along with floey!

NKIzzle, have you guys done anything cool yet? Post, post! If you have time that is :P

And good luck to all USA players going to SBO!

Onikage 04-28-2005 02:23 AM

How about Dictator vs Guile? If its somewhere 40 pages back I apologize, I 've been following the thread and I don't remember seeing anything on it. Wondering what Dic should do, I get handled by Guile most times.

Nick T. 04-28-2005 02:26 AM

Hi NKI,

I've been an active cvs2 player since the game came out and I feel I need to learn another SF game. I've been thinking about ST so I have some questions.

How should I start off learning ST?

I understand how a SF game is to be learned and played. But ST seems a bit harder because it's been broken down so many times.

Should I learn it by playing SF in the most basic way it can be played?(Fireball > dp setups, range, and jumping at the right times)Stuff like that.

I plan on using O.Sagat, Boxer and Ryu.

Thanks for your help.

Olan 04-28-2005 05:52 AM

i always thought cammy was good, guess ill stop using her if there is no chance of winning with her
what is good dhalsim strategy? normals and such?

Eishi 04-28-2005 10:28 AM

Onigake : Use the hk a lot to counter the sonic booms, even if you trade guile will lose more life than dic. Use the crossup (mk or hk) when you knock him down. If you do it well (as early as possible) you don't risk anything, flash kicks and super will whiff. From afar do the stomp to counter sonic booms, you can also use the flying punch move to get near him, just make sure you stay out of flash kick range.

As for dic's tier status : how can a charater who lacks ***VITAL*** things like a good reversal and a good anti-air can be considered top tier ? You guys gotta be kidding.

Anyways, I just played against a friend of mine who has a decent t.hawk and he gave me a really hard time. Dic can't do anything about his jumping lp if he's at the right distance, and if I end up in the corner I get typhooned for free, game over.

psi 04-28-2005 10:36 AM

nki is too busy being white and being in his own world to post. just like when he got his start off guile combos of the tzw tape i Gave his friend back in 1998-99

we meet once in st.louis but b/c of your videos being 90% twz... i ignored you.. anyways welcome me to your world nki as i now i break my silance because i want give u 1000$ in psi dollars if you dress flow up as honda and enter him in a sumo competition.

seriously, ive read your posts before
your def in-need of a mini dv camera so u can record some stuff in mpeg4 and provide weekly footage..
http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INT...tpfeature-DSCM1
this is yours if u can provide me a shot of the guys when they are in the sleeping.. like i know flow+ricky+justin all huggin on your floor at night (just the idea of them in one room @ nite is comedy). anywho everyone here knows me and that my offer is 100% 4real

heh good luck with those three

Ultima 04-28-2005 12:08 PM

Eishi:

Dic's top tier (albeit low top tier) because he's that damn good. ^_^

Seriously, while he lacks reversal and *late* anti-air (j.strong is excellent regular anti-air, as is jump up roundhouse), he has other great tools for keeping on the offensive. He's got boot kick pressure (s.MK,s.HK), Torpedo and Scissors kick for chip damage from the right distance, headstomp to beat projectiles from full screen, one of the best cross-ups in the game and easy (easiest?) ToDs. If Dic controls the match, most of the time he wins.

IMO, the only character he truly fears is Zangief. But that could just be HF Bison...

Eishi 04-28-2005 10:12 PM

His anti air ain't worth shit against some caracters (chun li an t.hawk comes to mind). As for his tod, you don't have many occasions to land them. I have several videos featuring great japanese dic players and you rarely see them landing a tod.

Anyways, I tried the crossup hk, lkx3 XX psycho crusher combo and it rocks ! Never thought a combo like that would work, because of the rule that prevents you to cancel a light move if you do it twice or more, thx NKI :). This combo is without a doubt the best thing to do after a successful crossup, much easier than lkx2 cr mk xx scissors and lkx3, hk IMO.

fubarduck 04-29-2005 01:31 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabin
Theyre staying at NKIzzle's along with floey!

NKIzzle, have you guys done anything cool yet? Post, post! If you have time that is :P

And good luck to all USA players going to SBO!


Stay tuned for Saturday night: fubarduck/ricky/floe/justin/NKI/kamui/amodf/BAS/etc. go clubbing in Shibuya!!!!!!

yoooooon 04-29-2005 01:37 AM

damnit that sounds badass

Sabin 04-29-2005 01:52 AM

fubar: damn foo, you guys are all crazy, im sure you guys are all havin a blast out there haha. fuck shit up man!

Well, I talked to Ricky and Floe yesterday and here is what they have to say about casuals:

In CFJ, Ricky/Justin are doing well. Ricky has been beating the shit out of Shiro (famous for his C-Rolento/Sagat/Yamazaki team.) Shiro has been beating the crap out of everyone in Tokyo at the moment he said.

In 3s they are all doing good, except Floe is complaining about losing to random yuns haha. I beliebe they said they are going 50/50 with all the top jap players that are there right now, i assume you all know who most of them are.

In Tekken 5, Ricky/Floe all think that the Japanese suck. Ricky reportedly hasn't lost a single game since he's been there, Floe has been going on streaks too. Even Justin, who is not even close to being USA's best yet, has been getting wins. I guess this bodes well for our last chance qualifier? (IIRC, there is only one Korean in the SBO tourney, and that is NIN, (Steve player) correct?)

for #R, what do you expect? Floe's been getting beat up :P

blazed 04-29-2005 02:16 AM

Good luck to all USA players going to SBO! Footage please!

Have fun :p

Master Chibi 04-29-2005 02:25 AM

Have fun you guys, and good luck at SBO.

Take plenty of pictures.

;D

box 04-29-2005 02:33 AM

Sweet. Let's hope USA can take Tekken 5 as well as CFE.

NKI: Make sure you write a log of SBO :)

kugler 04-29-2005 02:42 AM

Wowowowow. Grab TONS of footage, or SRK will cry like babies. :(

Good luck guys!

Olan 04-29-2005 05:56 AM

i-dont-want-to-sound-like-a-kissass,but.nki,this-is-probably-the-best-thread-on-srk.good-show.
by-the-way-,my-keyboard-is-broken!sorry

insanelee 04-29-2005 06:28 AM

Nick quick question if i were to say skip out on my hotel could i somehow crash on your place?! .. .

bronson.

Musashi 04-29-2005 06:56 AM

Hmm.. this question just doesn't have to be addressed to nki, but what's the date for SBO?

Saotome Kaneda 04-29-2005 07:14 AM

May 3-5.

NKI 04-30-2005 04:23 AM

Sorry for being so far back-logged, and sorry for the rushed reply, but I'm pressed for time with the kiddies here.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sondogg
NKI - Yeah sorry about that about my post earlier the characters I had in mind are Ryu,Ken,Guile, and Boxer those are the 4 I mainly use in ST so more help would be appreciated.
-Ryu and Ken-

(Keep in mind Ken does not need to do the last towards direction for his super: D, D/F, F, D, D/F+punch)

All crouching moves are super-cancelable:
D, D/F, F, D+button, D/F, F+punch

[st.Strong or st.Fierce] xx super:
D, D/F, F, neutral for as long as possible, standing move, [D, D/F, F+punch] as fast as possible
st.normal xx super is probably the hardest super cancel in the game...probably...

cr.Short->cr.Short xx super:
D+Short, D+Short, D/F, F, D, D/F, F+Short+punch
Ken's is really easy because his super comes out fast; Ryu's is really hard because his super comes out slowly.

-Guile-

crouching move xx super:
charge D/B, D/F, D/B+button, B, U/B+kick
Basically, just charge D/B, then do a half-circle from D/F to U/B, and when you're at D/B, hit the button you want to cancel. cr.Forward and cr.RH are not super-cancelable.

standing move xx super:
Same as above, but hit the button at Back instead of Down/Back. Other than st.Jab, st.Strong, and st.Fierce, not sure which moves are super-cancelable.

-Boxer-

crouching move xx super:
charge D/B, D/F, D/B, D+button, D/F+punch
cr.RH is not super-cancelable.

standing move xx super:
charge B, F, B, neutral+button, F+punch

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabin
NKIzzle, have you guys done anything cool yet? Post, post! If you have time that is :P
Basically all we've done so far is walk a round a little bit and go to some arcades. Because Ari is practically immobile, we haven't done a lot of walking around. I actually had to push him up a hill...:confused:
We met up with that crazy nigga Kindebu, The Golden Fatty. We all went out for dinner, and we went into one of those hella girly photo booths, which Justin and Ricky just can't get enough of.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Onikage
How about Dictator vs Guile?
Eishi summed it up pretty well. You want to rush him down with Scissor Kicks too, but keep in mind that Guile can reversal Flash Kick any time he's charged.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eishi
As for dic's tier status : how can a charater who lacks ***VITAL*** things like a good reversal and a good anti-air can be considered top tier ? You guys gotta be kidding.
Because he is able to control most matches pretty well, and his strengths outweigh his weaknesses. The ToD is really what makes him so deadly. He can easily kill you for making one mistake. The huge majority of the rounds people lose to Dic will involve a ToD.

Quote:
Anyways, I just played against a friend of mine who has a decent t.hawk and he gave me a really hard time. Dic can't do anything about his jumping lp if he's at the right distance, and if I end up in the corner I get typhooned for free, game over.
You can Fierce Psycho Crusher or cr.RH (slide) under him to get out of the way, or j.Strong him if the distance is right. If a good Hawk gets in on Dic, Chun, Sim, Claw, or Blanka, it's pretty much peace out, so your match must be played to keep him out. Never go for meaties; never close the gap. That's just doing his job for him.

Quote:
As for his tod, you don't have many occasions to land them. I have several videos featuring great japanese dic players and you rarely see them landing a tod.
They probably weren't winning much either, right? Dic is most definitely beatable, especially if he's not landing any ToDs...

Quote:
Anyways, I tried the crossup hk, lkx3 XX psycho crusher combo and it rocks ! Never thought a combo like that would work, because of the rule that prevents you to cancel a light move if you do it twice or more, thx NKI :)
That rule only applies to moves that are chained together (rapid-fire moves, like Ryu's cr.Short). Because you're linking each st.Short, each one is cancelable.

Quote:
Originally Posted by psi
heh good luck with those three
Stay tuned...

Quote:
Originally Posted by blazed
Good luck to all USA players going to SBO! Footage please!
Kim (ohayo) has a camcorder, so hopefully he'll get some footage.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Olan
i-dont-want-to-sound-like-a-kissass,but.nki,this-is-probably-the-best-thread-on-srk.good-show.
by-the-way-,my-keyboard-is-broken!sorry
Awesome, thank you. Hope your keyboard gets well soon! :confused:

Quote:
Originally Posted by insanelee
Nick quick question if i were to say skip out on my hotel could i somehow crash on your place?! .. .
Damn, yo...yeah, you could stay here, but it's already hella packed. As long as you don't mind being in the middle of a floe-Justin-and-Ricky sandwich...


-Nicholai!

insanelee 04-30-2005 08:18 AM

nick i love you be mine. email me your info, i will use your place as last resort im tryin to find other places right now.

bronsontran@gmail.com

bronson.

iKlEiTlH 04-30-2005 10:53 AM

I've noticed you actually make a conscious effort to reply to each and every post. Kinda makes me wish I had questions...

Good stuff though.

...waitin for the CRAZY cvs2 tourney to go down.

Pained Auron 04-30-2005 11:03 AM

how are ricky and justin doing in cvs2 over there?

Sabin 04-30-2005 12:24 PM

NKI; Damn yo...the thought of you guys having to push Floe up a hill and sleeping together in a Justin/Ricky/Floe sandwich is hella disturbing... :confused:

wtf, they were all talking shit about how they were gonna mack on the japanese girls and go clubbing..weak...or maybe they saw random ppls grills/faces irl and decided they were all hella busted. lol

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pained Auron
how are ricky and justin doing in cvs2 over there?

Ricky claims to own everyone free, and he says he's only spent $15 total since he's been there, what a beast. :karate: Justin's been doing well too, his largest streak in cvs2 in tokyo has been 25 wins so far.

in 3s, they are saying that more of the experts are showing up, so it's getting hard for them...and they can't beat this one necro player thats supposedly mad godlike. dunno if its PinoAB7 or what, i dunno the names of the famous necro players. but supposedly this guy is hella old or something, haha

me talkin to ricky

[23:05] : justin got a 25 game win streak in cvs2 and he plays kof and gets own free and he does ok in 3s
[23:05] Sabin16: which kof?
[23:05] Sabin16: haha so much for japan being godlike.
[23:06] : 98
[23:06] : 3s its kinda hard
[23:06] : some necro player was god like yo
[23:06] Sabin16: haha
[23:06] Sabin16: who was he?
[23:06] Sabin16: was it pinoab7 or some crap or just random guy.
[23:07] : i have no clue
[23:07] : but he was hellla good
[23:10] Sabin16: damn
[23:10] : i am
[23:10] : im owning fools free just lost to necro guy like 8 times!
[23:11] : DAMN IT!
[23:11] : ima kill him!
[23:11] : DIE KIRAI!
[23:11] Sabin16: haha
[23:11] Sabin16: im sure he gets all crazy with the stun combos
[23:11] : i got stun in like 2 seconds the last round in all the games and he would do like 30 hit necro combos
[23:11] : =X
[23:12] Sabin16: hahah wtf
[23:13] : indeed thats wat i said too
[23:13] : and i went over to see how he looked its liek some old man in a suit
[23:13] : im like oh fuck dat im not losing to some old man in a suit yo
[23:14] : so i play him and he beats 4 more times
[23:14] : and im like ok i guess i will lose to u
[23:14] Sabin16: did he look like he was 40?
[23:14] : yea
[23:14] : wtf

hehe, too good. tomorrow they are playin in 3 tourneys, for cvs2 singles/teams (not sure what arcade,) and they are playing in a Game Newton 3s team tourney tomorrow, so gl to them.

[23:26] Sabin16: oh yea yo
[23:26] : sups
[23:26] Sabin16: did justin play any marvel against japan
[23:26] : ya
[23:26] : own free
[23:27] Sabin16: whod he play aaginst?
[23:27] : like 100-3
[23:27] : mitsu and chikkyu

as if that was any surprise..

Olan 04-30-2005 12:31 PM

man, necro does some crazy ass shit. i can't learn it

ssj2jeff 04-30-2005 01:08 PM

lol i think necro should at least be upper mid tier. god damn justin fuckin owns in mvc really bad.

Sabin 04-30-2005 02:26 PM

more random aim chats, this time im talkin to floe <3 ill cut this up to make it easier to read

[00:45] : bitch

[00:45] : sups hoe
[00:45] : how goes it, i heard nki pushed u up a hill :P
[00:45] : lol
[00:46] : that hill is bullshit
[00:46] : have to go up it every day
[00:46] : fuck that shit
[00:46] : so i bought him a drink to push me up
[00:46] Sabin16: ........
[00:46] : it was tight
[00:46] Sabin16: the picture in my head
[00:46] Sabin16: of that
[00:46] Sabin16: just makes me crack the fuck up
[00:46] : lol
[00:46] Sabin16: lol
[00:46] : yeah
[00:46] : it was pretty bad
[00:46] : yeah
[00:46] : it was pretty bad
[00:46] : random fobs staring at us
[00:46] : like wtf are those gaijin doing
[00:47] Sabin16: damn floe damn. walk and explore bitch!
[00:47] : dude
[00:47] Sabin16: cant get hoes

2nd part of post coming just gimme a sec

Musashi 04-30-2005 02:27 PM

Sabin, did Ricky tell you any specific strats that the Necro player would use?

Sabin 04-30-2005 02:49 PM

talkin about 98 now

[00:48] : lol
[00:49] : i havnt really been playing hella
[00:49] : just a decent ammount
[00:49] Sabin16: u havent? i thought you would be playing hella
[00:49] : its more fun watching justin get owned up in kof
[00:49] : i love watching that
[00:49] Sabin16: hahaha
[00:49] : we bet 1 yen per match
[00:49] Sabin16: is he really getting owned that bad in 98?
[00:49] : im up like 7 yen
[00:49] : dude
[00:49] : free
[00:49] : like
[00:49] : there was this one guy
[00:49] : justin hadnt won a single match yet
[00:49] : and like
[00:50] : he ocv'd his first 2 chars
[00:50] : and his last char was robert
[00:50] : the guy comes back and beats justin
[00:50] : with just robert
[00:50] Sabin16: hahaha
[00:50] : robert basicly doesnt take any damage
[00:50] : it was hella funny
[00:50] Sabin16: robert is crazy, you cant stand there cuz of his command throw
[00:50] : and there was some guy yesterday
[00:50] Sabin16: cant turtle on him
[00:50] Sabin16: and he has good overhead poke
[00:50] : clark/ralph/goro
[00:50] : omg
[00:50] : best guy so far
[00:50] : that guy was just a beast
[00:50] : like
[00:50] Sabin16: um
[00:50] : me and justin were betting he couldnt beat him 1 out of 10
[00:50] Sabin16: that's a pretty cheap team
[00:50] : and justin wouldnt bet it
[00:50] Sabin16: if you get knocked down once
[00:50] : cuz it was that obvious
[00:50] Sabin16: that's gg
[00:50] : lol
[00:51] : yeah
[00:51] Sabin16: especially against goro
[00:51] : his goro would just standing b all day
[00:51] Sabin16: yea
[00:51] Sabin16: standing b
[00:51] Sabin16: random stand d
[00:51] Sabin16: df+c, get counterhit ur done
[00:51] Sabin16: then u get all scared
[00:51] Sabin16: then goro runs up and gets crazy!
[00:51] : yeah
[00:51] : there was also some crazy athena player
[00:51] : u get hit by a psycho ball and u die
[00:51] : lol
[00:52] Sabin16: yea all her shit is unblockable once you get knocked down
[00:52] Sabin16: and if u try to roll tog et away
[00:52] Sabin16: u get caught anyway

3rd part coming

Sabin 04-30-2005 02:59 PM

Mushashi: I dont try to bug them too much for specifics since i know theyre going out early to do whatever..just ask them for general stuff.

: ive probably been playing more 3s then anything
: well
: #r too
: but
: thats a lost cause
[00:54] Sabin16: nto top tier or anythign though
[00:54] Sabin16: lol
[00:54] Sabin16: yea
[00:54] Sabin16: i assume #r isnt even close
[00:54] : dude\
[00:55] : this girl
[00:55] : was fucking owning me up
[00:55] : so hard
[00:55] : like i think if she went to evo and no other japs went she would win
[00:55] : its that bad
[00:55] Sabin16: ........................
[00:55] : that random girl would be #1 in us
[00:55] : lol
[00:55] Sabin16: who does she play?
[00:55] Sabin16: is she hot or is her grill all fucked
[00:55] : bridget
[00:56] Sabin16: did you even beat her a game?
[00:56] Sabin16: lol
[00:56] : i won like
[00:56] : 2 out of 10 i think
[00:56] : and shes not bad looking
[00:56] : justin also lost to a girl in cvs2
[00:56] Sabin16: omg she woulda got top 8 at ts5
[00:56] Sabin16: lololol
[00:56] : top 8 for free
[00:56] Sabin16: hahaha
[00:57] Sabin16: was justin fucking around or did she really beat him
[00:57] Sabin16: whod she use
[00:57] : she played like
[00:57] : ken/blanka/hibiki or something i think
[00:57] : doing rc electricity and shit
[00:57] : and short short super with ken
[00:57] : it was funny
[00:57] Sabin16: ...........
[00:57] Sabin16: OK
[00:57] Sabin16: you lie
[00:57] Sabin16: lol
[00:57] : nope
[00:57] : we asked kindevu if it was a girl
[00:57] : and he confirmed
[00:57] : cuz she looked a little manly
[00:57] : and we had different reports
[00:57] Sabin16: oh yeah
[00:57] : but kindevu confirmed
[00:57] Sabin16: and plus
[00:58] Sabin16: u cant tell who ur playing right?
[00:58] : yeah
[00:58] Sabin16: cuz its back to back cabs
[00:58] Sabin16: lol
[00:58] : but like
[00:58] Sabin16: damn
[00:58] : after the match justin went around and looked
[00:58] Sabin16: i wonder how that must feel
[00:58] : and thought she was a girl
[00:58] : but then nick said she wasnt
[00:58] Sabin16: some random guy beasting with rc elec
[00:58] : but then kindevu said she was
[00:58] : lol
[00:59] : yeah
[01:00] : he was going on good win streaks (justin, in cvs2)

ok im gettin lazy and i dont wanna spam up nicks thread, since the point is just to give you guys some insight on whats goin on over there.

damn batches, take some footage!

Master Chibi 04-30-2005 03:07 PM

Haha, this is great stuff.

:D

fubarduck 04-30-2005 05:29 PM

Dude the Bridget player chick is really hot. She usually wears her school uniform to More. Also, I am pretty sure she would beat me like 10-0.

Unfortunately she is always there with her BF who also plays Bridget =(

Tantin 05-01-2005 06:03 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by fubarduck
Bridget player chick is really hot. She usually wears her school uniform to More.


THIS IS AMAZING!

...You made me sad at Texas Showdown. I was the random shitty Hugo in your 3S pool.

K2Grey 05-01-2005 07:49 AM

Maybe the Bridget chick is Mio?

Eishi 05-01-2005 10:26 AM

NKI:
Can you tell me on wich occasions japanese players land Dic's TOD ? I heard about the ambiguous crossups but I don't know how to do them. Every crossup I do is obvious so my opponents always block the right way :sad:

I would also like to know what kind of gate they use for joysticks on capcom 2d fighting games in japanese arcades, octagonal or square ? I heard they use the two kinds but wich one is most commonly used ?

vpt_whatup 05-01-2005 10:45 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabin
[23:26] Sabin16: did justin play any marvel against japan
[23:26] : ya
[23:26] : own free
[23:27] Sabin16: whod he play aaginst?
[23:27] : like 100-3
[23:27] : mitsu and chikkyu

as if that was any surprise..
Haha I was going to ask about that. I wonder what team s he used. Thanks for the info, Sabin.

What day(s) does SBO go on for? I want to know when to look for updates/results. Thanks.

NKI: Did Justin or Ricky play against any of the More ST players? Justin is supposed to be good with O-Sagat and N-Chun, right? Sorry if this has been asked before.

Nick T. 05-01-2005 01:11 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by vpt_whatup

What day(s) does SBO go on for? I want to know when to look for updates/results. Thanks.

I believe it's May 3-5.

NKI 05-01-2005 06:30 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eishi
NKI:
Can you tell me on wich occasions japanese players land Dic's TOD ?
Most common situations are:
-if they predict a fireball and jump over it
-if the opponent whiffs anything big within close range
-if the opponent gets knocked down outside of the corner and fails to block the following cross-up correctly
-if the opponent gets knocked down in the corner and doesn't block the ambiguous Psycho Crusher cross-up correctly
-if the opponent is dizzied for any reason (usually from st.RH melee, or Head-stomp/falling palm shenanigans)

Quote:
I heard about the ambiguous crossups but I don't know how to do them. Every crossup I do is obvious so my opponents always block the right way :sad:
If you just do his j.Forward or j.RH as a cross-up to a standing opponent, it must be blocked as a cross-up, but if you do it to an opponent who is getting up after being knocked down, you can do it deep enough to where it will cross-up, but it is not blocked as a cross-up.

Quote:
I would also like to know what kind of gate they use for joysticks on capcom 2d fighting games in japanese arcades, octagonal or square ?
At More, they use octagonal, but I dunno about other arcades.

Quote:
Originally Posted by vpt_whatup
NKI: Did Justin or Ricky play against any of the More ST players?
I don't think Ricky has played at all, and Justin played just one game, I think. They're too busy with other games, like Rumble Fish 2. I am serious. :confused:

Today I went to a big ST tourney at Try Tower (TZW's arcade) while Justin, Ricky, and Ari went to a CvS2 tourney held by bas in Justin's honor, dubbed the "Go Go Justin Cup". I think they were going to hit up a 3S tourney at Newton, too. They're not back yet, so no results as of now.

The ST tourney was pretty dope, and my team was doing well, but unfortunately I had to leave early, so I dunno who won. My guess would be Tama's team...

For the record, Justin definitely was better and definitely won more games than Mitsu, but it was nowhere near 100-3. In the beginning, Mitsu was performing terribly (couldn't even land a basic launch into infinite set-up, couldn't even keep the infinite going). I dunno if it was the J-factor or what, but once he got himself together, he was able to beat Justin quite a few matches. I remember at one point he had 4 or 5 in a row. Chikyuu has the tape, so I dunno the exact score, but hopefully he'll cap the good matches soon...

Random highlights from last week:

Justin trying to learn to say "anata wa sugoku kirei desu", which means "you are amazingly beautiful", but messing up and saying "anata wa sugoku kirai desu", which means "I hate your guts".

Ari trying to say "moshi moshi", which means "hello" on the phone, but messing up and saying "mushi mushi", which means "insect insect".

NKI vs. Justin, MvC2, money match. Justin only gets Mags, no assists; I get a full team, any characters, no restrictions; 2 out of 3; loser buys dinner. Result: 2-0, Justin. :confused:

Ricky vs. two pieces of natto sushi, bet. If Ricky can down both pieces, Justin buys him 2 dinners; if he can't, no loss. Result: 2-0, natto. :confused:


-Nicholai!

Eric J 05-01-2005 07:54 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Most common situations are:

Random highlights from last week:


Ari trying to say "moshi moshi", which means "hello" on the phone, but messing up and saying "mushi mushi", which means "insect insect".

NKI vs. Justin, MvC2, money match. Justin only gets Mags, no assists; I get a full team, any characters, no restrictions; 2 out of 3; loser buys dinner. Result: 2-0, Justin. :confused:

Ricky vs. two pieces of natto sushi, bet. If Ricky can down both pieces, Justin buys him 2 dinners; if he can't, no loss. Result: 2-0, natto. :confused:


-Nicholai!


lol mushi can also mean to ignore which is funny as hell
:clap: And as far as natto, I don't think anyone suited to American taste will win that battle, yuck :tdown: Japanese swear that shit tastes good though. I haven't seen it on sushi before though. Can't wait for those CvS2 and 3S results yo!

king bender 05-01-2005 11:58 PM

so many geeks here
you guys ought to check out my random log, its big and smelly, its took me 1/2 an hour just to flush the fucking thing. I wonder if random jap logs are as big as mine

SNkNuT 05-02-2005 02:25 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by king bender
so many geeks here
you guys ought to check out my random log, its big and smelly, its took me 1/2 an hour just to flush the fucking thing. I wonder if random jap logs are as big as mine


stfu bitch go back to the ass you came from. NKI, keep up the good work. :tup:

BloodRiotIori 05-02-2005 02:56 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Random highlights from last week:

Justin trying to learn to say "anata wa sugoku kirei desu", which means "you are amazingly beautiful", but messing up and saying "anata wa sugoku kirai desu", which means "I hate your guts".


Oh dear.. I do this all the time~

Keep up the log NKI, its much appreciated

epsilon_ 05-02-2005 05:11 AM

what is natto?

K2Grey 05-02-2005 05:37 AM

Natto is a kind of fermented soybean. It tastes and smells awful and is covered in slimy substance which can neither be broken down in the mouth nor severed with chopsticks.

gbursine 05-02-2005 05:42 AM

ugh.. shit, I thought it was something good.. I think i know what it is.

I remember they had it on an episode of gto. :razzy:

ShinjiGohan 05-02-2005 06:06 AM

BTW which game has Floe been qualified for SBO?

Saotome Kaneda 05-02-2005 09:49 AM

Natto > Random American

Art, keep those AIM messages coming, those niggas are funny. =p

And I coulda told you guys Justin would get owned the fuck up in 98. =p At least he hasn't played against this one Extra Mode Athena/Brian/XXX guy I had a few matches against last year...=/


And I'll say this ONE LAST FUCKING TIME, SBO goes on May 4th and 5th. Okay?

box 05-02-2005 11:56 PM

Ouch.

Tourney Results.

http://www.shoryuken.com/forums/showthread.php?t=89741

85 peeps for a random CvS2 singles tourney. Wow. Just gives you an idea of how healthy the gaming scene is in Japan compared to USA.

Buktooth 05-03-2005 12:24 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saotome Kaneda
And I'll say this ONE LAST FUCKING TIME, SBO goes from May 3rd to May 5th. Okay?

it's just 5/4 to 5/5 actually. it's only a 2-day event this year (cut down to 6 games).

http://www.tougeki.com/outline/final.html

ssj2jeff 05-03-2005 01:54 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by box
85 peeps for a random CvS2 singles tourney. Wow. Just gives you an idea of how healthy the gaming scene is in Japan compared to USA.

well it's pretty easy to get around in japan so it's probably not too hard to gaher together. the american fighting scene seems small but if we all lived on an island i bet we could be as big if not bigger than japan.

and yea i wanna hear some more aim chat. keep us updated with the americans owning :tup:

Saotome Kaneda 05-03-2005 07:04 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buktooth
it's just 5/4 to 5/5 actually. it's only a 2-day event this year (cut down to 6 games).

http://www.tougeki.com/outline/final.html

o_o When'd they change it? Oh well. Whatever. =p Edited. =x

Olan 05-03-2005 12:29 PM

man, i just started using geif, whats the best shit to do with him? like normals and such.how are the geif users in japan?

ShinjiGohan 05-03-2005 02:18 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saotome Kaneda
And I'll say this ONE LAST FUCKING TIME, SBO goes on May 4th and 5th. Okay?



hope that wasn't directed at me... anyway my question about floe was answered by my bro so thanks anyway.

Saotome Kaneda 05-03-2005 03:24 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinjiGohan
hope that wasn't directed at me... anyway my question about floe was answered by my bro so thanks anyway.

Not just you, actually. Don't take it personal(not like you ever do). =p

ShinjiGohan 05-03-2005 04:01 PM

heh if I did would I still be plaing EX3 :D So umm whens SBO :P j/k

fLoE 05-04-2005 12:41 AM

today there was a t5 team tourny at club sega.. justin/ricky/bronson teamed.. they won like 3 rounds then got swept by a jin player called "no respect"..i played some #r robo-ky for about an hour and it took me 20 games to beat him.. so yeah..thats about it for interesting shit for today

vpt_whatup 05-04-2005 01:14 AM

Did all three of them use Nina? That would be pretty crazy if a Jin took out three Nina's in a row. Especially from some of the best players in the US.

>_<

BTW good luck to all of the US representatives tomorrow.

NKI: I am going to start taking Japanese classes next fall. It turns out that they fit into my schedule so I decided to go with it. Any suggestions or advice? What procedure did you have to go through to study abroad? I'd only be interested for one semester or summer since I'm an engineering student a lot of my classes won't match up for credit. Thanks.

king bender 05-04-2005 03:54 AM

fuck lessons, books are your friends

justin/ricky/bronson... sounds like some gay boyband. WTF is wrong with you people, you go to Japan then spend all the fucking time sitting in some fucking arcade talking about some shitty ass 10 year old game, you people are a fucking waste to society

epsilon_ 05-04-2005 04:01 AM

afaik justin doesnt use nina, he uses feng.

Evil Morrigan 05-04-2005 04:01 AM

"This message is hidden because king bender is on your ignore list."
I suggest everyone do the same.




Sabin - Post more of those Aim Convos they were pretty funny. Also do you still travel for tournies? Even theough The Mindboggle in Charlotte Closed down there are still some good tournies thrown in NC every once in ahwile.
You and your boys can crash at my place just like before. :tup:

polarity 05-04-2005 04:07 AM

Although bender is a fucking faggot, he does have something of a point this time....I hope you're actually gonna get to see a lot of what Japan has to offer aside from arcades ;)

box 05-04-2005 04:17 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by epsilon_
afaik justin doesnt use nina, he uses feng.


Actually he uses both. But a lot more Nina recently.

io 05-04-2005 06:50 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by king bender
justin/ricky/bronson... sounds like some gay boyband.


sorry, that one made me laugh.

i agree that there's more to jp than hanging around an arcade (the LAST place you'd find me). but hey, if that's your thing, more power to ya :xeye:

vpt_whatup 05-04-2005 06:55 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by io
sorry, that one made me laugh.

i agree that there's more to jp than hanging around an arcade (the LAST place you'd find me). but hey, if that's your thing, more power to ya :xeye:
Quote:
Originally Posted by polarity
Although bender is a fucking faggot, he does have something of a point this time....I hope you're actually gonna get to see a lot of what Japan has to offer aside from arcades ;)
Yes, I am aware of this. I'm definitely NOT taking the class so I can play at arcades there and watch raw anime.

I am taking Japanese because:
1) It fits in my crammed schedule (engineering classes are hard to change)
2) It fulfills my humanities/social-science requirement
3) I already took Spanish in high-school
4) I want to visit another country (I was born in another, but too young to remember much)

io 05-04-2005 07:06 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by vpt_whatup
Yes, I am aware of this. I'm definitely NOT taking the class so I can play at arcades there and watch raw anime.

I am taking Japanese because:
1) It fits in my crammed schedule (engineering classes are hard to change)
2) It fulfills my humanities/social-science requirement
3) I already took Spanish in high-school
4) I want to visit another country (I was born in another, but too young to remember much)


wasn't knockin' ya dude. have fun :karate:

epsilon_ 05-04-2005 07:10 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by box
Actually he uses both. But a lot more Nina recently.

he only used feng at final round. which was like 3 weeks ago.

vpt_whatup 05-04-2005 07:11 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by io
wasn't knockin' ya dude. have fun :karate:
Haha I know. It was just to clarify. No problem.

fubarduck 05-06-2005 07:02 AM

<--- done

NKI 05-06-2005 05:56 PM

I have to do a lot of catching up in this thread, but for now:

After Justin/Ricky lost to Kuroda (the crazy Q player) at SBO, they said it was a fluke, and that they would own his ass if it weren't one game. I asked them if they wanted me to set up some money matches with him, and they said yeah. For those who have never seen Kuroda in person, he is about as anti-social and as awkward as they come. When I first approached him and simply said "Excuse me...", he looked terrified that another human being would actually speak to him. I asked him if he'd be willing to play money matches with Ricky and/or Justin, and after a long awkward silence, all he said was "I don't have any money". That's pretty weak if you ask me, but I just wanted to get away from him because he had some wicked BO. :confused:

fubarduck - damn yo, I thought Justin was done 'cause he couldn't even stand up under his own power, but you my friend are HELLA DONE. :wow:


-Nicholai!

Hol Horse 05-06-2005 06:48 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
I have to do a lot of catching up in this thread, but for now:

After Justin/Ricky lost to Kuroda (the crazy Q player) at SBO, they said it was a fluke, and that they would own his ass if it weren't one game. I asked them if they wanted me to set up some money matches with him, and they said yeah. For those who have never seen Kuroda in person, he is about as anti-social and as awkward as they come. When I first approached him and simply said "Excuse me...", he looked terrified that another human being would actually speak to him. I asked him if he'd be willing to play money matches with Ricky and/or Justin, and after a long awkward silence, all he said was "I don't have any money". That's pretty weak if you ask me, but I just wanted to get away from him because he had some wicked BO. :confused:


Why not asking for non-money matches then?

Ouroborus 05-06-2005 06:50 PM

not surprised that crazy Q player was a wierdo with BO.

after sacrificing so much time and effort mastering weak ass characters, of course they are gonna act anti social and be out of the norm.

i heard Iyo was pretty wierd too. that dhalsim player in cvs2.

Sabin 05-06-2005 09:34 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
I have to do a lot of catching up in this thread, but for now:

After Justin/Ricky lost to Kuroda (the crazy Q player) at SBO, they said it was a fluke, and that they would own his ass if it weren't one game. I asked them if they wanted me to set up some money matches with him, and they said yeah. For those who have never seen Kuroda in person, he is about as anti-social and as awkward as they come. When I first approached him and simply said "Excuse me...", he looked terrified that another human being would actually speak to him. I asked him if he'd be willing to play money matches with Ricky and/or Justin, and after a long awkward silence, all he said was "I don't have any money". That's pretty weak if you ask me, but I just wanted to get away from him because he had some wicked BO. :confused:

fubarduck - damn yo, I thought Justin was done 'cause he couldn't even stand up under his own power, but you my friend are HELLA DONE. :wow:


-Nicholai!



damn...just...damn. :wow:

hahaha. thats too funny. i can already picture that in my head, classic ricky line "omg that guy hella sucks id own him for free." lol

aside from all that, you had a blast, didnt you? you or fubar, post up something when you can finally catch up on your rest. :tup:

fubar, why are you so done? what happened, got owned free? :P

I haven't talked to the kids in the past week, so no AIM logs for the rest of the world, sorry.

Evil Morrigan: Yeah, I still play in tourneys. I'm real busy with school now so I can't travel/play as much as I used to, but if I come down to the NC area I will definetely hit you up fo sho. Mike Burst is trying to get me to come down there for a Durham tournament in June

fubarduck 05-06-2005 10:49 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sabin

fubar, why are you so done? what happened, got owned free? :P


Let's just say I need to pace myself at the all-you-can-drink places in the future . . . -_-

Sabin 05-06-2005 10:51 PM

rofl, speak no more. Damn...if it's like that, then I feel for you man...not too smooth :P :sad:

Buktooth 05-07-2005 12:18 AM

i heard fubarduck won the award for greatest party foul of all time

Destin 05-07-2005 12:34 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by fubarduck
Let's just say I need to pace myself at the all-you-can-drink places in the future . . . -_-


Thats enough reason right there for me to go to japan. I'm going to be in the Chiba prefecture next year, so you'll have to stay in touch.

fLoE 05-08-2005 04:30 AM

fubarduck: plz dun cut ureself =X

Kamui 05-08-2005 10:33 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by fubarduck
Let's just say I need to pace myself at the all-you-can-drink places in the future . . . -_-


I'm extremely happy I left that restruant early.

Kamui 05-08-2005 10:40 PM

Nick, Floe, Ricky, Justin, Kim, it was nice meeting you guys. Japan is fun! Hopefully I'll see you all again in the future.

margalis 05-09-2005 07:17 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
I asked him if he'd be willing to play money matches with Ricky and/or Justin, and after a long awkward silence, all he said was "I don't have any money". That's pretty weak if you ask me


As weak as say...getting owned by a Q player then claiming it was a fluke?

brian 05-09-2005 09:02 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by margalis
As weak as say...getting owned by a Q player then claiming it was a fluke?


The nature of Q is to get fluky wins: Big random dmg. Of course a single game could easily be a fluke. The fact that its Q makes this even more true, not less.

Alphastorm 05-09-2005 09:37 AM

It's no fluke if a Q player can go thru beating several good players and then placing 3rd in a major tournament.

I guess I don't understand your definition of the word "fluke". Does this only apply to beating one person at a time? It is a fluke if say you beat 100 players in a row but every match was only a single game?

Magnifico 05-09-2005 11:16 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by margalis
As weak as say...getting owned by a Q player then claiming it was a fluke?


zing!!!!

ramza34 05-09-2005 12:20 PM

If the Q player actually knows what he's doing, it's bullshit to ever call it a "fluke". It's a matter of execution for both players. I don't understand how fluke=big random damage.

moop 05-09-2005 12:21 PM

"fluke" in this instance is theoretical, since they've only played each other once.

kuroda has been doing well in a number of tournaments. Not like he just burst onto the scene with some gimmicky strats.

So Ricky/Justin think that if they played more games they would own him. Maybe... and maybe Kuroda would own them and put egg in their top-tier faces. Who knows.

Regardless Q winning is cool in any instance.

Eric J 05-09-2005 12:49 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by brian
The nature of Q is to get fluky wins: Big random dmg. Of course a single game could easily be a fluke. The fact that its Q makes this even more true, not less.


lol its not a fluke, actually Kuroda was my candidate to win SBO this year. He did not lose even once during the qualifiers, his partner Hayao didn't even get to play. Actually I wish I would have told justin to watch out for this player when he was here at Final Round 8. I've seen some of Kuroda's matches here since Dec. (http://carol.sakura.ne.jp/streetfaighter3_movie.html), the kid is good and deserves props on the real yo, definitely not a fluke. Actually this was the cat that aced KO and a few other folks a while back too.

mr_fantastic 05-09-2005 01:00 PM

what moop said

i think what justin and ricky meant was had they played kuroda previous to sbo and known his style of play, they would've probably won

but whatever, props to all

BillyKane 05-09-2005 01:02 PM

Kuroda was beasting on almost all the top Japanese players at Game-Newton the other day. pyro and I couldn't break his defense either, that guy is just way too good.

UltraDavid 05-09-2005 02:18 PM

BillyKane (or anyone else who's played him), what exactly does Kuroda do that makes his Q so hard to beat?

Kaistar 05-09-2005 02:24 PM

I haven't played him (haw) but from watching all his vids it's more like what he DOESN'T do. He just... sits there. He'll taunt when he can, but he's more or less the ultimate turtle and capitalizes on rushdown openings.

UltraDavid 05-09-2005 03:01 PM

Yeah, I've seen Kuroda play, but I'd like to hear someone who's actually played him say just what it is that makes him so good.

bigfroggy 05-09-2005 04:03 PM

Patience, unflappable patience.

VManOfMana 05-09-2005 05:08 PM

Am I the only one who gets a login dialog when clicking on a movie at Carol?

Also, where are the vids of the other games? I am sure I have seen a page with Act Cadenza vids as well as other games.

NKI 05-09-2005 05:40 PM

OK, time to play catch-up...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Olan
man, i just started using geif, whats the best shit to do with him? like normals and such.how are the geif users in japan?


My advice would be first to watch a lot of good people play. Download these vids, and any others you can find:
http://www.planetdreamcast.com/oroc...eo/capcom.shtml

Gief uses different normals against different characters, but his best are:

far st.Jab (can't be ducked, has surprising range, gives him free SPD on characters with no good reversal)
far st.Short (do guessing game between cr.RH or SPD afterwards; the cr.RH will combo after st.Short)
far st.Forward (stuffs Hadoukens and other moves where they stick their limbs out)
cr.RH (good range, knocks down, decently fast recovery)
jump straight up Fierce (can be used for anti-air, instant dizzy)
j.Fierce and j.RH (have huge horizontal range)

I am not a Gief player, so I don't know a whole lot about him, but if you have specific questions, I'll do my best to answer them.

Quote:
Originally Posted by vpt_whatup
NKI: I am going to start taking Japanese classes next fall. Any suggestions or advice? What procedure did you have to go through to study abroad?
My advice is to get lots of speaking/listening practice. Don't focus so much on reading/writing, because by far, hands-down the number one thing you will use in Japan is speaking/listening. Find some Japanese kids at your university and start hanging out with them.

The procedure varies from school to school, but for me it was relatively easy. Just take Japanese classes, then go fill out some forms (well, there were a lot, actually), and that was about it. I didn't have to take a Japanese proficiency test or anything (thank god).

Make absolutely sure you apply for some scholarships. There is HELLA free money to be had. I actually received so much money in scholarships (about $20,000) that they had to retract some.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hol Horse
Why not asking for non-money matches then?
Because casual play doesn't mean anything. If there's nothing on the line, people won't always play their best.

Quote:
Originally Posted by margalis
As weak as say...getting owned by a Q player then claiming it was a fluke?
Actually, they didn't get owned at all. The reason they said it was a fluke is because it was only one game, and especially Justin's one game was incredibly close. Justin literally lost by milliseconds.

The reason I thought it was weak is because he probably has money, but just doesn't want to play. The Japanese are notorious for making up excuses when they don't want to do something, rather than just straight up saying, "I don't want to".

Also, I'm not sure how this got misconstrued into "Kuroda sucks ass", because that's not what they said. They simply said if it were 2 out of 3, they would beat him.

Now that SBO is done and the kids have gone home, here are some random highlights:

-Ricky trying to eat natto and nearly puking.
-Bronson trying to eat natto and nearly puking.
-Takayuki being star-struck by Justin, constantly saying "Oh my god, it's Justin himself! I can't believe it! Justin is actually here!" I tried to play along with him and say "Holy shit, it's Justin himself! I want to touch him!", but then Takayuki says, "Yo dude, that's just weird..."
-Hungry Hungry Hippos money matches.
-Some elderly Japanese man who speaks no English staring at Ricky. Ricky proceeding to talk shit to said old man who speaks no English. "The fuck are you looking at you glasses-wearing piece of shit fucking old fuck fucking don't look at me, fucking fucker."
-Justin showing me good places to eat in Tokyo, despite me being here for 7 months and Justin being here for 7 days...:confused:
-Justin beasting on fools in Rumble Fish 2, despite only playing it for a week.

And the lowlights:
-Having six people (myself, Bronson, Ari, Justin, Ricky, and Takayuki) sleep in an apartment that is barely big enough for one person.
-Cleaning vomit off my toilet.
-Ari/Justin/Ricky sandwich.
-My drunken Irish neighbor storming in my room at 3:00am, telling Ari he is a "fucking cunt" and that she is "utterly disgusted" with him, then calling Justin a "horny little fucker", then proceeding to take three shots of Ricky's Black Nikka whiskey. :confused:
-Ricky and Justin buying so much random crap that they have to buy extra suitcases in Japan just to bring it all home.
-Random drunken Indian man trying to strike up a conversation on the train; Ari refusing to shake his hand, sparking feelings of racial tension and hatred; Ari relocating to opposite side of the train.
-No sleep for two weeks.

My apartment was an absolute disaster after they left, and as I was cleaning it today, I found a considerable number of "presents" left behind for me. They include but are not limited to:

-five different socks, none of which match
-two 20 oz. bottles of Diet Coke
-Hungry Hungry Hippos (Japanese version)
-about 300 yen in loose change (primarily 1 yen coins)
-one Hello Kitty sticker
-one bag of random candy
-one small figure of a samurai holding a Coke bottle (???)
-the May issue of Maxim
-one half-used box of band-aids
-two bath towels
-one mesh sponge (body scrub)
-one lighter (despite the fact that none of them smoke)
-one pair of chop sticks
-one broken shaving razor
-one broken leather belt
-half a bottle of tea
-half a bottle of Black Nikka whiskey

And of course, here are the pictures from the last two weeks:
http://nki.combovideos.com/SBO.05/

Although there are probably loads of things I'm forgetting, that should do for now...


-Nicholai!

Spoony 05-09-2005 05:54 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
-Hungry Hungry Hippos money matches.

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:
VIDS. NOW.

I demand this hotness in EVO.
But I bet hella nigs will complain about differences in the JP version!!!

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
insane pics


Is there any particular reason why you're the only one with hardcore redeye in every picture?

Mr. Bastos 05-09-2005 05:55 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
snip


that sounded like mad fun.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoony
:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:
VIDS. NOW.

I demand this hotness in EVO.
But I bet hella nigs will complain about differences in the JP version!!!


hmm sounds like a fun side event. I should import it now so I can get some practice. Lol. oh and I too would like to see vids. :bgrin:

OVERT PIMP 44 05-09-2005 05:59 PM

Hey NKI what other games does your crew play in Tokyo? I live in Tokyo as well but I often have to work and I none of my friends play fighting games that hard. I wanted to go to SBO but all of my boys were like hell no! We usually end up chilling and chasing skirts in Yoyogi Park and Shibuya. But now I feel the need to get back in the GAMES. Hit me up ASAP from mariokart, smashbros, streetfighter, halo. peace. :badboy:

fLoE 05-09-2005 06:22 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
-one small figure of a samurai holding a Coke bottle (???)


FUCK.. you couldnt just let me believe that i remembered everything? so mean :sad:

RushDown178 05-09-2005 06:59 PM

I like how Ricky's arms are over Chibita :clap:

Eric J 05-09-2005 08:08 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by VManOfMana
Am I the only one who gets a login dialog when clicking on a movie at Carol?

Also, where are the vids of the other games? I am sure I have seen a page with Act Cadenza vids as well as other games.


You mean on Carol's page? here: http://carol.sakura.ne.jp/

I never got a login dialog

vpt_whatup 05-09-2005 09:07 PM

Only some of the files have login's for me. If you check the link when you mouse-over and it has a .wmv extension, then you get a login. If it's a .asx then it works. That's how it was for me, at least.

NKI: THANKS for the Japanese advice!! I never thought about study abroad scholarships so I'll definitely check it out. Thanks also for the SBO wrap up. -__-

Eric J 05-09-2005 10:04 PM

Oh looks like they just changed the files to member only, and I think you have to get the password from there, I'll check more later. Well Kuroda's not on the .asx files, there are two other guys playing Q on those vids.

NKI 05-09-2005 11:38 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spoony
Is there any particular reason why you're the only one with hardcore redeye in every picture?
Because I am the anti-Christ.

Quote:
Originally Posted by OVERT PIMP 44
Hey NKI what other games does your crew play in Tokyo?
The only game I play seriously is ST, and I just play at More in Shinjuku. I hang out and play with the MvC2 crew also, but I hella suck at that game. I just like watching them play more than anything.

Quote:
Originally Posted by fLoE
FUCK.. you couldnt just let me believe that i remembered everything? so mean :sad:
Yeah, thanks for all the socks, too.

I knew I would forget one of the lowlights, so here it is...

I had the misfortune of being the translator between Justin and Otaku for this conversation:

Justin: Yo, where can I find some good Jap porn? All the porn here is blurred out. What's up with that?
Otaku: Oh, don't worry about that. I have some good shit I can hook you up with.
Justin: All right, cool.
Otaku: And it features 11-year-old girls!
Justin: Dude, nobody wants to see that shit...
Otaku: :wtf:...the hell is wrong with you?

:confused:...no comment from me.


-Nicholai!

SHAAAADY 05-10-2005 12:08 AM

I'm sorry, but I would have found out how much of a reward (if any) there was for turning in someone who has child porn, then turned that guy in with the quickness. I'm surprised ya'll let that shit ride, man.

AMinorThreat 05-10-2005 12:15 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAAAADY
I'm sorry, but I would have found out how much of a reward (if any) there was for turning in someone who has child porn, then turned that guy in with the quickness. I'm surprised ya'll let that shit ride, man.
OTK fanboys would place a reward for your head.

insanelee 05-10-2005 12:53 AM

ari to justin

'why are you so obsessed with my holes'

done and done.

bronson.

NKI 05-10-2005 01:36 AM

SHAAAADY - Japan isn't as squirmish about child porn as America is. This is the same country where in 7 months, not a single person I've met could tell me what the age of consent is here, and several people claim there is no such law. It would be like trying to turn in someone for having warez in America. Yeah, it's illegal, but nobody really cares...:confused:

insanelee - I had completely erased that from my memory. Thanks for bringing it back.


-Nicholai!

Toodles 05-10-2005 01:48 AM

http://ageofconsent.com/uscitizens.htm

NKI, they don't have sammich'es in .jp? I dont remember you being that skinny when I met you at evo. Let me know if its cools to PM you some time; With luck, I should be spending about 4-6 weeks in Tokyo in about a month, and could use all of the ST and .jp tourist advice I can get.

mr_fantastic 05-10-2005 02:22 AM

what the fuck

all of the guys on that age of consent site are ultra mega creeps

Hol Horse 05-10-2005 02:39 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
I had the misfortune of being the translator between Justin and Otaku for this conversation:

Justin: Yo, where can I find some good Jap porn? All the porn here is blurred out. What's up with that?
Otaku: Oh, don't worry about that. I have some good shit I can hook you up with.
Justin: All right, cool.
Otaku: And it features 11-year-old girls!
Justin: Dude, nobody wants to see that shit...
Otaku: :wtf:...the hell is wrong with you?

:confused:...no comment from me.


-Nicholai!


O_o
this is the sick indeed. Heavy cultural differencies I suppose, but is that really japanese standard, or is Otaku an extreme case?

t34 05-10-2005 02:54 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hol Horse
O_o
this is the sick indeed. Heavy cultural differencies I suppose, but is that really japanese standard, or is Otaku an extreme case?

I'm going with the "..." post.

Muskau 05-10-2005 02:56 AM

:lol: Hahah dude, how can you tell the difference between an 11 yr old asian girl, and a 18 yr old shaved one? Cause I bet you could put two pics up next to each other, and alot of people wouldn't be able to tell.

I guess the asianophiles will say differently, but I've seen some of those asian models, I would swear some of them look like they just got out of junior high. It's just weird. :confused:

SHAAAADY 05-10-2005 02:58 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
SHAAAADY - Japan isn't as squirmish about child porn as America is. This is the same country where in 7 months, not a single person I've met could tell me what the age of consent is here, and several people claim there is no such law. It would be like trying to turn in someone for having warez in America. Yeah, it's illegal, but nobody really cares...:confused:




I was in Japan late last year and I realized that its way more casual/nonchalant about sex, period (prostitution being legal, etc).
But come on man, porn with kids is a bit much to be stoic about. Thats beyond stoic, thats just a plain lack of morals.
:tdown:

polarity 05-10-2005 04:05 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by SHAAAADY
I was in Japan late last year and I realized that its way more casual/nonchalant about sex, period (prostitution being legal, etc).
But come on man, porn with kids is a bit much to be stoic about. Thats beyond stoic, thats just a plain lack of morals.
:tdown:


how's that ethnocentrism working out for you? i mean, it's not like i don't think it's weird, but i cant see any real justification for it being objectively wrong or objectional (as long as no physical damage is being done). just because western culture thinks sex is something children cant understand the implications of, doesnt mean that's true, or even (and this is the rub) that the implications (the emotional ones at least - physical ones are easily prevented) even exist in other cultures

Thongboy Bebop 05-10-2005 04:08 AM

The same reason we don't let children sign contracts or drive. They're not in a position to make an educated decision on things yet. They still believe in Santa Claus.

N

polarity 05-10-2005 04:45 AM

As I said, the necessity for an "educated decision" implies that there's the potential for major negative consequences. If you're talking about pregnancy or STDs, then fair enough, but many seem to focus on the emotional implications (trauma etc) which we have no reason to believe objectively exist and aren't simply a product of our culture.

This is getting a little off-topic here, haha.

Thongboy Bebop 05-10-2005 04:48 AM

The having of the sex in and of itself is a major decision. Children are easily influenced, thus are not capable of making an informed decision here. You could literally trade sex for candy. Does that seem ok to you?

N

polarity 05-10-2005 04:59 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thongboy Bebop
The having of the sex in and of itself is a major decision.


Unless you can give some kind of objective justification for this belief then my argument still stands. In numerous cultures, there's nothing unusual about children engaging in sexual acts. The idea that sex isn't something suitable for children is by no means exclusive to western society, but it's also far from a universal concept. I don't mean to sound condescending because I've been guilty of this in the past and will no doubt be many more times in the future, but your attitudes seem more based more on gut emotional reaction than any kind of reasoning.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that it'd be fine to introduce laws in America and Europe that make it find for parents to fuck their kids now, but that's because our societies are built around a whole set of intertwining cultural norms and values, the disruption of one of which could seriously fuck up the organization of society. But just as western society has its standards, many of which I'm sure you'd defend if others claimed them to be immoral or wrong, so do other cultures have theirs, and it's stupid to just decry them without an understanding of how their society functions as a whole, and if any real damage is being caused.

polarity 05-10-2005 05:16 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinjiGohan
Even so, you can check their statistics for crime/rape. And probably find that they are much lower than here in the US. So the must be doing something right (like parents actually parenting their kids rather than have the government do all the work).


I know that crime figures are low in Japan, but I dunno about rape figures. If they are low, I'd (sadly) be more inclined to believe that that's more of a matter of rapes not being reported or taken seriously by the police due to the seemingly huge level of misogyny present in Japan, rather than less rapes actually taking place.

shortshortsuper 05-10-2005 06:23 AM

just a quick question: how do you distinguish between a girl who's 16 and 36? if you know how, how long did it take you to figure out?
...cuz I sure as hell can't figure that out yet

Thongboy Bebop 05-10-2005 06:24 AM

No one reports rape in Japan. It's part of the culture, you don't draw attention to something that would dishonor your family, and if it did happen, it's your own fault. This is the same culture that made the Japanese captured by Al Qaeda pay for their own airfare to get back when they were released (admittedly, they DID sort of have it coming to them).

polarity: You still haven't addressed anything I said, really. Regardless of how we as a society look at it, when is it ok for children to make lasting decisions about themselves? They are not of an age to make an informed decision. They cannot fully comprehend the consequences of the choice. They still view 'adults' as people in a position of power, thus they are more likely to go along with what one says.

ShinjiGohan: You're guessing.

NKI: Sorry about your thread. Still love ya!

N

Chupacabra 05-10-2005 06:28 AM

just because their rape figures are lower doesnt mean they're necessarily doing something right.

i bet they have a much larger problem with sexual harassment/molestation, pedophilia.

im not saying that rape is not as bad as sexual harassment or pedophilia. but i think if you look at it in a certain way it can be somewhat troubling.

lets say in city X of USA there are 5 rapes a year and 20 cases of sexual harassment. in city y of japan, there are 2 rapes a year and 200 cases of sexual harassment. so there might be more people in x.USA that are truly bad apples but on average people of y.japan have more problems.

if thats the case, then its hard to say that city y.japan is really doing something better. obviously those figures are made up and are completely bullshit but you get the point.

i understand that you werent exactly talking about this shinjigohan...but its something to think about and consider. im not trying to argue with your or anything.

a lot of times when perversion and japan are being discussed people throw in that statistic of japan having less cases of rape so therefore saaaaall good and hey who cares about all their funky sex stuff, but no thats not entirely true. that statistic alone doesnt capture the whole picture.

Buktooth 05-10-2005 06:36 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
-My drunken Irish neighbor storming in my room at 3:00am, telling Ari he is a "fucking cunt" and that she is "utterly disgusted" with him, then calling Justin a "horny little fucker", then proceeding to take three shots of Ricky's Black Nikka whiskey. :confused:

umm... WAT

Thongboy Bebop 05-10-2005 07:10 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinjiGohan
Though mainly my argument was conceived when I read reports that my state is making the selling of "mature" video games to minors a larger offense then that of selling tobacco products to minors. I just applied the same theory to here.

Stores have been getting fined left and right for selling tobacco to minors (at least in California), and so they've finally become good boys about it and usually card anyone who looks under 25 or so. Game stores routinely ignore the rating when selling games to people. They have to learn that laws aren't just suggestions. After the first series of fines they'll eventually wise up.

N

polarity 05-10-2005 07:11 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thongboy Bebop
polarity: You still haven't addressed anything I said, really. Regardless of how we as a society look at it, when is it ok for children to make lasting decisions about themselves?



My point is: What makes it a lasting decision?

Thongboy Bebop 05-10-2005 07:32 AM

The obvious stuff. Sex can lead to pregnancy, STDs, a host of psychological concerns (self-esteem, community/clique issues). Children can barely be convinced to clean their rooms and wash regularly. How can they be expected to be responsible in this instance?

And, of course, the point I've been belabouring the whole time. Children are easily led. They often take the word of adults at face value, and don't know the weight of their actions. If I can say "Hey kid, I'll give you this chocolate bar to go down on me", when is that acceptable?

N

SHAAAADY 05-10-2005 07:35 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by polarity
how's that ethnocentrism working out for you? i mean, it's not like i don't think it's weird, but i cant see any real justification for it being objectively wrong or objectional (as long as no physical damage is being done). just because western culture thinks sex is something children cant understand the implications of, doesnt mean that's true, or even (and this is the rub) that the implications (the emotional ones at least - physical ones are easily prevented) even exist in other cultures



Ethnocentrism? Don't throw that word at me for the rhythm of it when it has literaly nothing to do with the topic at hand.
Just where exactly did I say that I believe my ethnic backround of African-american and Puerto Rican is better than the Japanese race.

As far as whats being discussed..I was simply responding to NKI's observation ("Japan isn't as squirmish about child porn as America is.")
When I said that looks like a dirth of morals, I'm not saying that in contrast to HERE (America). I speak for myself as a human being, I don't speak for America.

It looks like what you're saying is, you need justification to know that fucking a little child is not good.
Thats almost as scary as the thought of my future daughter or niece being taken advantage of sexually and filmed for people to buy and distribute.

By the way, hows that playing Devils Advocate working out for you?

Anyway, thats all I care to say anymore on this topic.

Saotome Kaneda 05-10-2005 08:11 AM

Damn, ya'll fucked up this thread.

dznutz 05-10-2005 08:23 AM

how much is it for one game there and what times do the arcades usually close? oh, is it safe to walk around at night around 12-3am?

THANKS!

Desk 05-10-2005 08:25 AM

hey nki great thread you got going, but I feel I need to change the subject from under age sex.

do you play hyper much? if so how well does your ST chun do?
i think i already know the answer to this next one but do any jap sf players ever play online?

Top Tier bender 05-10-2005 08:56 AM

this thread is now officially gay

Muskau 05-10-2005 09:44 AM

Yeah, go make a seperate "Psychological & Cultural Differences in Underage Intercourse" in the General forums.

Scamp 05-10-2005 09:52 AM

Alrighty, let's try and clear some of this mess up.

Am I qualified to do this? Probably not, but I'll try anyway.

You're ALL guessing. You're all combining assumptions among other things into theoretical arguments, but made to seem like opinionated fact. That combined with things such as "ethnocentrism" and "that's all I care to say anymore" make for a very healthy argument.

Thongboy brings up a good point with whether or not children can make decisions for themselves, and also at what point should one be considered in full control. What he is guessing at, however, is the culture of which Japan reports it's rapes. Certainly there may be a cultural bias toward this, but how much? And is it really more than in the US, where similar as well as different feelings toward it would prevent people from reporting? Not to mention that even with the bias there are still reported rapes, so how much of it is really affected by this? It's a theoretical guess at best.

Now back to what started this all, about whether or not child porn is about less morals. Somehow this gets translated about whether or not this is okay due to the amount of rapes in our respective countries. This reminds me of the whole "violence in video games" debate, in which something which is related to a huge number of factors is instead being blamed on just one of the factors.

So to mention rapes along with child porn is simply a theoretical guess. Some would argue that the lack of child porn would lead to more rapes, but that's another theoretical guess in itself.

In effect, the connection between porn, rapes, and morals goes far, far, far, beyond any points made so far in this thread. This debate isn't helped by made-up stats or any form of theoretical guessing.

Thongboy Bebop 05-10-2005 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Scamp
You're ALL guessing. You're all combining assumptions among other things into theoretical arguments, but made to seem like opinionated fact.

When have I ever done this? I'm stating stone fact.

Japan is a culture obsessed with sticking its head in the sand. Don't believe me? Ask any random japanese about World War 2.

Children believe dumb shit, especially when adults tell them so.

What part of this sounds like conjecture? This is THE WAY IT IS.

What makes you think I don't know anything about Japan? How could you possibly have any idea of my experience in and around Japan, short of correcting something I've stated? Which you can't, because it's all true.

N - NKI: Yo, do you know KSK? I e-mailed him a few weeks ago, but I dunno if he speaks english or not so it may be futile. Danke.

Scamp 05-10-2005 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Thongboy Bebop
What part of this sounds like conjecture?


This sums it up nicely.

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Originally Posted by Thongboy Bebop
This is THE WAY IT IS.


It's ironic that you replied to my post in such a way since I personally believe that you've made the best arguments for yourself so far.

Anyway, you're still talking theory, even if you state it's stone cold fact. What makes you think that I think that you don't know anything about Japan? That wasn't my point at all, and I wasn't trying to cite any lack of experience you might have as a counter-argument.

Furthermore, what difference does it make what your experience in Japan is? You're making general statements, you can't support that with case studies.

I never tried to insinuate that you didn't know what you were talking about when it comes to Japan. You did that yourself. I was trying to say that unless you happen to be a specialist on rape and Japanese society, you're just guessing based on generalizations and theory. Japan is a culture obsessed with sticking it's head in the sand? It's a generalization. Is it true? Sure, compared to America, at least. Is it one of the reasons why some rapes aren't reported in Japan? I'd assume so. Is it the ONLY reason? Not by a longshot.

I did use your name in my last post, I hope you didn't take anything personally.

Thongboy Bebop 05-10-2005 10:50 AM

I'm not sure exactly what qualifier you're looking for that separates 'reality' from 'guessing'. These are things that are going on. Whether you're aware of them or not doesn't make them any less true. What, do I have to be in Japan RIGHT NOW to make it more true? Can an entire society change fundamentally in less than a decade just by being Bebop-less? I'd like to believe so, but I highly doubt it.

I'm not offended or anything, you're just... not making sense. If I witness something first-hand, over a protracted period of time, and it's backed up by most (if not all) people who have been exposed to such... doesn't that make it the truth?

N

Shinomori 05-10-2005 10:57 AM

Was Otaku trying to show his anime collection perhaps o O??

JP

SmoothCat 05-10-2005 11:19 AM

otaku to good , jding all the kids porn word!

NKI 05-10-2005 11:37 AM

Man...Chun's D/F+RH sure is cheap.........:confused:

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Whoa, thanks for the info!

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NKI, they don't have sammich'es in .jp? I dont remember you being that skinny when I met you at evo.
It's pretty much impossible to work out cheaply in Japan, so I had to give it up. Haven't worked out since August of last year, dropped 20 pounds. :sad:

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Let me know if its cools to PM you some time; With luck, I should be spending about 4-6 weeks in Tokyo in about a month, and could use all of the ST and .jp tourist advice I can get.
Fire away!

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Originally Posted by Hol Horse
is that really japanese standard, or is Otaku an extreme case?
You can find the youngsters in pretty much any porn shop. I've never seen it myself, but I've heard that most of it doesn't actually involve sex acts...just running around in scampy clothing, being put in sexually suggestive situations, etc.

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Originally Posted by Muskau
:lol: Hahah dude, how can you tell the difference between an 11 yr old asian girl, and a 18 yr old shaved one?
Can't be done!

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Originally Posted by dznutz
how much is it for one game there and what times do the arcades usually close? oh, is it safe to walk around at night around 12-3am?
There are 50-yen and 100-yen arcades. At More, it's 50/play. Most arcades close at 11:00pm or midnight. Compared to America, Japan is AMAZINGLY safe. I have absolutely no fear walking by myself at night, even in the "bad" parts of town...which aren't bad at all.

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Originally Posted by Desk
hey nki great thread you got going, but I feel I need to change the subject from under age sex.
Agreed...

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do you play hyper much? if so how well does your ST chun do?
At More, they have an ST cab and an AE cab next to each other. I just play which ever one is open. My Chun does all right in AE, but CE Bison (Dic) is really tough. CE Guile is harder than ST Guile, but not that bad, really.


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i think i already know the answer to this next one but do any jap sf players ever play online?
I think so. There is a decent amount of people in Japan who play ST on Kaillera, but I dunno how good they are because I could never get Kaillera to work. :sad:

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Originally Posted by Thongboy Bebop
N - NKI: Yo, do you know KSK? I e-mailed him a few weeks ago, but I dunno if he speaks english or not so it may be futile. Danke.
I talked to him a little bit at SBO, but I don't think he knows my name or anything. I dunno if he can speak English or not, but most Japs can read English decently (with the help of a dictionary).

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Originally Posted by Shinomori
Was Otaku trying to show his anime collection perhaps o O??
Actually, I don't know if he was talking about anime porn or real porn. Either way, Japan has a lot of weirdos who like 'em young, but I'd rather talk about other things...like ST!


-Nicholai!

TS 05-10-2005 11:47 AM

Yeah, speaking of ST, I have a question about n.Honda vs o.Honda.

Does O.Honda look at child pornography?

vpt_whatup 05-10-2005 11:49 AM

How often do you see people playing DS or PSP over there? Do they really take advantage of the multiplayer function? From the sales figures that I've been reading it seems like both of them are very popular over there.

NKI 05-10-2005 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by TS
Does O.Honda look at child pornography?
He's middle-aged, Japanese, and overweight, so my guess would be "yes".

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Originally Posted by vpt_whatup
How often do you see people playing DS or PSP over there? Do they really take advantage of the multiplayer function?
They're pretty popular, and I see a lot of people playing on the trains, but I dunno if I've ever seen anyone playing multi-player.


-Nicholai!

Thongboy Bebop 05-10-2005 12:11 PM

Is your Irish neighbour good looking?

N

Top Tier bender 05-10-2005 12:39 PM

Bebop,
ur a fag,
k thx die etc.

NKI 05-10-2005 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Thongboy Bebop
Is your Irish neighbour good looking?
She's more intimidating than she is good-looking...especially when she's wasted. :confused:


-Nicholai!

Kaistar 05-10-2005 12:54 PM

She's Irish. Them womens are FEISTY.

Thongboy Bebop 05-10-2005 12:54 PM

That's hot.

N

TS 05-10-2005 01:12 PM

Drunk = target

Yumi Saotome 05-10-2005 02:50 PM

I don't think natto is that bad....it's actually quite good when you mix it in rice with a raw egg.

OTOH, Japanese blue pickles are nasty as hell. I don't know how people eat them. The yellow, white, green and red ones are good, but the blue ones...lets just say that was the second time ever I've encountered some food that I couldn't eat (the first being straight lutefisk). I'm scared to even ask what they're made out of or why they're blue.

NKI 05-10-2005 02:54 PM

I have eaten natto twice before, and while I didn't think it was especially good, I didn't have a problem swallowing it. However, the restaurant we went to with Bronson and Ricky had some absolutely repulsive natto...so I dunno.

And I think the blue pickles you're talking about might be pickled eggplant? If so, yeah...I don't like that stuff either...


-Nicholai!

Yumi Saotome 05-10-2005 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by NKI
I have eaten natto twice before, and while I didn't think it was especially good, I didn't have a problem swallowing it. However, the restaurant we went to with Bronson and Ricky had some absolutely repulsive natto...so I dunno.

And I think the blue pickles you'retalking about might be pickled eggplant? If so, yeah...I don't like that stuff either...


-Nicholai!



I think you're right, they certainly did look eggplant shaped. That stuff caused me to gag almost instantly. I suppose there's a lesson to be learned there; blue things don't occur abundantly in nature, so don't eat them.

It is possible that I just happened to have a bad batch, but I don't know if I'm quite ready to try it again. Especially since I thought I merely had bad lutefisk and tried it again straight like an idiot.

Which brings me to lesson two:
NEVER eat lutefisk straight. With toppings and enough alcohol, it's tolerable though.

Ouroborus 05-10-2005 08:45 PM

so who has tried vegemite? i heard it tastes horrible. any aussies wanna tell me how it taste like?

Sabin 05-10-2005 10:30 PM

wtf happened to this thread? damn, maybe otaku was probably talking about his lolicon collection, and it got lost in translation. Hahahaha...

nki, you should look into getting kaillera working prolly; im sure with the superfast connections/combined with the small area of the country, you can get some crazy good pings with next to no lag. but then again, you live right next to more, so i dunno why youd even want to bother with finding st comp on kaillera :confused:

NKI 05-10-2005 10:58 PM

Yeah, at first I was upset that I couldn't get it working, but then I realized the best competition in the world is only 30 minutes away...

Besides, if I'm going to play games, I'd rather go to the arcade because I get to practice some Japanese, and I usually see some wacky stuff on my way there/back, especially in Shinjuku.


-Nicholai!

Muskau 05-10-2005 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ouroborus
so who has tried vegemite? i heard it tastes horrible. any aussies wanna tell me how it taste like?


What do you want me to tell you? It's fine to me, but we grow up with it, Vegemite sandwiches, vegemite on crackers, vegemite in pastries. Just don't eat the stuff straight, thats nuts.

K2Grey 05-11-2005 05:56 AM

I guess it's probably more likely for Otaku to be talking about anime porn than porn of real people, considering his job.

Shinomori 05-11-2005 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by NKI
Man...Chun's D/F+RH sure is cheap.........:confused:

Actually, I don't know if he was talking about anime porn or real porn. Either way, Japan has a lot of weirdos who like 'em young, but I'd rather talk about other things...like ST!


-Nicholai!


Fair enough bro :D, i was just wondering cause everyone's having this long ass arguement here and ruining your log.

JP

fLoE 05-11-2005 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Thongboy Bebop
Is your Irish neighbour good looking?

N


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dogface 05-11-2005 12:50 PM

NKI,

Yo man, hottest thread in the histroy of threads. Sucks to hear about you not getting to work out, and losing weight. I'm the oppsite though, and when I don't workout, I gain weight. Oh, and gain I have!

Anyway dood, I just want to make sure I'm up to speed. So you said that you never see Alpha 1 and Alpha 2 cabs? But you still see Alpha 3? Is it CC madness?

And what did the Japanese think of the Americans at SBO? Do they have favorites?

-Vic

monkee77 05-11-2005 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Ouroborus
so who has tried vegemite? i heard it tastes horrible. any aussies wanna tell me how it taste like?


Man, I was under my car one day and I hadn't changed my brake pads in ages and I gotta nice taste of break dust in my grill! That's kinda like what vegemite tastes like but my aussie co-workers are like "It's great stuff mate!" Then they like to try and trick people and tell them it's chocolate!

Nice thread! I'm new to this one but I think the current topic is about childporno and the age of consent. :confused: uh yeah! I'm gonna stay outta this one. Anyway, I was looking for some english speaking gamers in the Tokyo area between May 25th - 31st. Where do you guy play at usually? I should be free that week in Tokyo and do you go to izakayas with that all you can drink deal? Thoses places are heavenly!

gotta get back to work...peace. :tup:

Ghostmaker 05-11-2005 01:09 PM

First, I wanted to say thanks for starting up such a great thread. Reading it has given me a lot of help with my ST play. I have a few questions i'd like to ask, but some are are a bit obscure, I dont mind if you cant answer some of em.

Have you ever been to Tokyo Tech? I'm planning on entering the UC school system and their part of a student exchange program with them. From what i've heard it's a damned good school (it's most often compared with MIT, which is definitely promising). However, their website doesn't seem to have much info on where it's located. What i'm wondering is whether you know it's proximity to the city and, more specifically, good competition in the area. I'd definitely more be there for the studying, but you can be damn sure that i'll be taking advantage of the massive amount of competition in the area.

Two, what's the relative price of food there as far as eating out. I've been in Hong Kong for a while and, if you know where to go, you can eat well for extremely cheap. Is that still a possibility in a place like Tokyo, or will I mostly be relegated to cooking for myself so as not to go completely broke?

Three, how much does your apartment cost you per month? I dont know if this was already asked, but i'm interested just so I can try to plan out what i'm going to need to do if I get accepted for that program.

Thank you in advance for any info that you can share with me.

Destin 05-11-2005 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by NKI
It's pretty much impossible to work out cheaply in Japan, so I had to give it up. Haven't worked out since August of last year, dropped 20 pounds. :sad:

-Nicholai!


Glad I read this, about how much are the gym compartive to here?

NKI 05-11-2005 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by monkee77
Where do you guy play at usually? I should be free that week in Tokyo and do you go to izakayas with that all you can drink deal? Thoses places are heavenly!
For Capcom games, the place to be is More (map). I gave up drinking, so I don't go to izakayas very often (not worth the cost unless you're drinking heavily).

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Originally Posted by dogface
I'm the oppsite though, and when I don't workout, I gain weight. Oh, and gain I have!
Ever been to Japan? It's pretty damn hard for guys to gain weight here...:confused:

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So you said that you never see Alpha 1 and Alpha 2 cabs? But you still see Alpha 3? Is it CC madness?
Yeah, pretty much. Alpha 3 isn't that popular either, but whenever I see it, usually someone is getting hit by a crouch-cancel infinite...

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And what did the Japanese think of the Americans at SBO? Do they have favorites?
I didn't get to hear opinions from anyone, but judging from the after-party, I'd guess they are pretty happy the foreign competitors came. Justin and Ricky seem to be a favorite (Raoh and Kindevu especially liked them), a lot of 3S players know Mopreme (because he lives here), and the Marvel crew really likes X (Desmond), even though he didn't come...he's just that cool.

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Originally Posted by Ghostmaker
Have you ever been to Tokyo Tech?
Never been there, but looking at their site, they have three campuses. Tamachi Campus is pretty close to More; Ookayama Campus is a little further away; Suzukakedai Campus is pretty far...about an hour (or more) by train.

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Two, what's the relative price of food there as far as eating out.
If you just want cheap food, you can pick up some curry or some beef bowls at Matsuya for about $3 each, but it is always cheaper to cook at home. It just depends on if you have the time and know-how to cook. Generally, whatever you buy in a restaurant here could be made at home for half the price (or less), especially curry. If you buy the rice and curry from the grocery store, you can make a decent helping of curry for less than $1.

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Three, how much does your apartment cost you per month?
My rent is $600/month for a studio apartment. I've heard most studio apartments are in the $600-$800 range.

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Originally Posted by Destin
Glad I read this, about how much are the gym compartive to here?
For a standard American-style membership (no restrictions, can work out whenever you want), the average price is around $80/month. The cheapest I have ever heard of is about $50/month, but there are restrictions (can only work out at certain times/on certain days).


-Nicholai!

Clockw0rk 05-11-2005 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by NKI
Ever been to Japan? It's pretty damn hard for guys to gain weight here...:confused:

someone isnt hitting up the convenience store enough =0

Clockw0rk

Yumi Saotome 05-11-2005 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by NKI

Ever been to Japan? It's pretty damn hard for guys to gain weight here...:confused:


Take up Kendo. It really is a full workout.

Saotome Kaneda 05-11-2005 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Clockw0rk
someone isnt hitting up the convenience store enough =0

Clockw0rk

Co-sign. >=0

Lawson's Sukiyaki > me

monkee77 05-11-2005 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by NKI
For Capcom games, the place to be is More (map). I gave up drinking, so I don't go to izakayas very often (not worth the cost unless you're drinking heavily).


Thanks for the map! The shady negroes part was too real! When do you guys usually go there and play? I wanna hook up one day before I go back to the States. I usually go to the big SEGA game center behind the FIRST KITCHEN on the other side of Shinjuku Station (South Exit). I usually watch the Team Virtual-On and the Melty Blood Players. Damn! They are a dirty sort!
:xeye:

NKI 05-11-2005 10:16 PM

I cook for most of my meals, so maybe I should start eating at the konbini more often...:sweat:

I'm usually at More on Friday or Saturday night. This Friday I already have plans, but I will probably be up there Saturday night. I'm pretty easy to spot because I'm usually the only foreigner playing ST, and I use red Chun. Only red Chun.


-Nicholai!

monkee77 05-11-2005 11:20 PM

Werd! Saturday is cool for me. I gotta go out that night too. So, I should be in the area. I'll just roll by the gamecenter on my way. When you get a chance, send a text from your keitai to my keitai. sk8mail@docomo.ne.jp

peace :tup:

Chupacabra 05-12-2005 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by K2Grey
I guess it's probably more likely for Otaku to be talking about anime porn than porn of real people, considering his job.


Yeah Im sure he uses the phrases "11 year old girls" and "hentai girls" interchangeably.

OMG OTAKU HAS SOOOOO MUCH HONOR.

NKI 05-12-2005 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by monkee77
When you get a chance, send a text from your keitai to my keitai.
I am probably the only person in Japan under the age of 95 who doesn't own a cell phone. Yesterday, I even saw a deaf man who has a cell phone. I am not joking. :sad:

Anyway, I'll probably be up at More around 8:00pm or so.


-Nicholai!
P.S.: I wish I had never mentioned Otaku and his porn...:confused:

Arcader 05-12-2005 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ouroborus
so who has tried vegemite? i heard it tastes horrible. any aussies wanna tell me how it taste like?


Vegemite has a very tangy taste, its not recommended that you eat it by itself, I usually have it on toast with butter and vegemite "lightly" spread on top :smile:

BloodRiotIori 05-12-2005 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NKI
I am probably the only person in Japan under the age of 95 who doesn't own a cell phone. Yesterday, I even saw a deaf man who has a cell phone. I am not joking. :sad:

Anyway, I'll probably be up at More around 8:00pm or so.


-Nicholai!


Dude... I live in England and *I* have 3 j-phones. Haha, maybe thats down to me being a tech freak.

But I hear/know its quite hard to get cellphones over there.. something about proof of residence/length of stay etc etc

Top Tier bender 05-12-2005 11:57 PM

Is it true that in Japan everybody gets raped on a daily basis and they enjoy it?

NKI 05-13-2005 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by BloodRiotIori
Dude... I live in England and *I* have 3 j-phones.
:confused:...

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But I hear/know its quite hard to get cellphones over there.. something about proof of residence/length of stay etc etc
For me it would have been no problem to get one because I have my alien registration card and all that good stuff...I'm just too poor, straight up.


-Nicholai!

Toodles 05-13-2005 03:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BloodRiotIori
But I hear/know its quite hard to get cellphones over there.. something about proof of residence/length of stay etc etc

http://j-mobiler.inphonix.com/more/index.html
4800yen/month for the 2 months I'll need one, and they dont seem to give a damn about residence; they even offer to deliver it to the airport (Narita?)

It looks like I'll be in Tokyo from about June 6th - July 20th. Feel free to mention any suggestions of things to do. I do want to spend some quality arcade time, but preferably when there isnt something else I could be doing. Call me crazy, but I want to spend a little time somewhere in the country where I can be attacked by wild monkeys. :)

dogface 05-13-2005 05:50 AM

Yo NKI,

Do any of the Japs know you from your NKI Combo Vids? Or do they just think you're some weak American?

I would punch them.

-Vic

BloodRiotIori 05-13-2005 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by NKI
:confused:...

For me it would have been no problem to get one because I have my alien registration card and all that good stuff...I'm just too poor, straight up.


-Nicholai!


Hah yea I'm a freak.. Anyhow, hope I'm not going off topic with this but..

I'm applying for an alien reg card too, I'll hopefully be in Kyoto this sept for a whole year (go go scholarship). How long did you alien card reg process take?

Saotome Kaneda 05-13-2005 07:02 AM

SOFA-status mambers can apply for cell phones too, that's part of the reason why AU practically controls the Okinawan cell phone business down here. And they accept CC paymenys, so there's no huge need for a place of residence other than to bounce off your CC info.

And Toodles, they rent cell phones out at airports now, a lot of places around the world do it(JFK does it, I know S.Korea had a plan somewhere, all of Japan's airports have some form of this plan).

Eric J 05-13-2005 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by NKI
I am probably the only person in Japan under the age of 95 who doesn't own a cell phone. Yesterday, I even saw a deaf man who has a cell phone. I am not joking. :sad:


Lol they have a phone there where you can put the phone on your bones and hear the sound, which is probably what he had. :wow:

popo187 05-13-2005 09:36 AM

good thread. Eric J, Saotome, NKI (or anyone who posts here): what's the craziest experience you ever had in Japan?



Or is it.. What happens in Japan, stays in Japan? :confused:

Saotome Kaneda 05-13-2005 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by popo187
Or is it.. What happens in Japan, stays in Japan? :confused:


That deserves an lol.


Honestly, the most fucked up shit I've seen was when I went to AXTokyo 2 years ago when I saw a dude crossplaying(that is not spelled incorrectly) in a schoolgirl uniform, and if you saw him from the waist down you couldn't tell the difference. He shaved his legs and everything. It was freakier than most of the stuff I saw the rest of the con, and the 2 nights I was down in Shinjuku.

Random Black dudes down in the shopping centers/busy areas trying to get you to come in their store? SMH

Random JP girls spouting random English at me? Grin and keep walking.

Placing 3rd in a KOF2k3 tourney by losing to the only team that didn't have Duolon BS in it? Whatever.

Winning the last Arcade Qualifier for Tekken 5 in Okinawa, only to lose the Round Robin for the Area Qual 20 minutes later? Fuck Bryan.

Dude at a convention in Tokyo that had legs that rivalled most real schoolgirls(he wasn't even one of those extreme fat dudes, or even those skinny little androgynous emo guys, just an average Brit guy)? WTF

Top Tier bender 05-13-2005 12:36 PM

And you were gay enough to keep staring at his legs to notice that, haha

NKI 05-14-2005 01:40 AM

More arcade (Shinjuku) - Super Turbo
Muteki Guile, More Vega, Yuu Vega, More Balrog, and Noguchi were all up at More tonight, and there were some pretty good matches. Muteki Guile is the master of comboing into super with Guile. I have no idea how he did it, but he hit me with cross-up j.Short, cr.Jab xx super. I don't understand how it's possible to charge the super...:confused:
Muteki Guile is an enigma, though. He is hella good (one of the best Guile players out there), but he gets randomed out a lot. After starting a small streak, he got beat two rounds straight by some random WW Chun player who then proceeded to get slaughtered by the next opponent. However, if there's one thing he's consistent with, it's comboing into supers. I never saw him miss cross-up j.Short, cr.Short->cr.Short xx super, and if you get hit by that, you're done.

Noguchi is the master of landing Claw's super. He has actually made me think "Uh oh, he has meter!", which is something I have never, ever worried about before when facing Claw. He got it almost every single match, sometimes both rounds. He lands it in the craziest ways, too. If he knows you'll try to DP, he'll swerve to the other side of you (so you do your DP backwards), and grab you from behind while you're still going up from the DP. Also, it seems like he can grab you with the super really early after you get up from being knocked down. For normal throws, there is a pretty long window where you are unthrowable, but he seems to land the super almost as soon as you get up...or maybe I'm just imagining things.

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Originally Posted by Toodles
Feel free to mention any suggestions of things to do.
Go to Harajuku on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon and just look at the people. It's hours upon hours of free entertainment.

If you want to see a bunch of skanky J-sluts and shady-ass negros, go to Roppongi!

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I want to spend a little time somewhere in the country where I can be attacked by wild monkeys. :)
Go to Nikko. You can even get in an onsen (Japanese bath) with a wild monkey, if you so desire. Unfortunately it's about 2 or 3 hours outside of Tokyo, but it's actually a pretty nice place.

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Originally Posted by dogface
Do any of the Japs know you from your NKI Combo Vids? Or do they just think you're some weak American?
They just think I'm some weak American, which is pretty consistent with reality.

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I would punch them.
But they're so small...it'd be like punching a 10-year-old...:confused:

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Originally Posted by BloodRiotIori
How long did you alien card reg process take?
After filling out all the papers and handing them in, I think it took about 10 days or so...

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Originally Posted by Eric J
Lol they have a phone there where you can put the phone on your bones and hear the sound, which is probably what he had. :wow:
What on earth are you talking about...? :confused:

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Originally Posted by popo187
what's the craziest experience you ever had in Japan?
Hrm...it's hard to say because all of the "crazy" stuff has become normal to me now, so I just kind of shrug it off. Some highlights (or I guess lowlights) off the top of my head...

-Random salary man passed out in a puddle of his own vomit at the train station.
-Watching a girl get groped in the train station, then watching said girl break her umbrella over the groper's skull.
-Getting groped on the train.
-My drunken Irish neighbor straight owning floe.
-Watching a disheveled homeless man try to pick a fight with a 10-year-old mentally retarded boy.
-Random drunkard in the park screaming at me in Japanese, "HEY, WHAT RACE ARE YOU!?!?"
-Earthquakes every month.
-Not once, but twice seeing a homeless man whip out his cock and take a piss in the middle of the street.

Those are the ones that stand out in my mind, but I'm sure there are plenty I'm forgetting...


-Nicholai!

Muskau 05-14-2005 02:08 AM

Hahaha thats crazy. Seems like the bigger the city, the crazier the stuff is.

jms 05-14-2005 03:07 AM

NKI,

Did you ever get the chance to ask Tama or any other ST players at More whether they are interested in coming to evo?

Thongboy Bebop 05-14-2005 04:29 AM

Is there any way I can sweet-talk you into getting some video of Noguchi? He sounds like he could make me want to play ST.

N

Xenozip. 05-14-2005 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NKI
They just think I'm some weak American, which is pretty consistent with reality.
Adding to dogface/Vic's question, do you know if any Japanese players keep track of American/Korean match/combo videos?

I'm very interested in knowing.

NKI 05-14-2005 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jms
Did you ever get the chance to ask Tama or any other ST players at More whether they are interested in coming to evo?
I asked Yuu Vega (in my opinion, the best Dic player in the world) via e-mail. I asked him a couple of other questions in that same e-mail, so either he forgot about the question about Evo, or he just ignored it, which means "not going". Still waiting to hear back from Tama.

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Originally Posted by Thongboy Bebop
Is there any way I can sweet-talk you into getting some video of Noguchi? He sounds like he could make me want to play ST.
I can't make any promises, especially given that I don't even have a camcorder, but I will say "maybe" for now...

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Originally Posted by Xenozip.
Adding to dogface/Vic's question, do you know if any Japanese players keep track of American/Korean match/combo videos?
Hrm...I dunno. ozy knows a lot of American combo vids, but I'm not sure about other Japanese players.


-Nicholai!

FreddyL0c0 05-16-2005 02:40 AM

how are the nighclubs and the party scene in Japan?

fubarduck 05-16-2005 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FreddyL0c0
how are the nighclubs and the party scene in Japan?

I have been to a few various places here and there, and the scene is pretty chill IF you go to the right places.

I don't like dancing/non-verbal type clubs, I have no game unless my mouth is open, so I can't really comment on that.

The main problem for most people visiting would be the language barrier I suppose (unless you just go to dancing loud-music blaring places), but if you can't speak Japanese you pretty much have to go to Roppongi (where you can be assured that most people there will speak at least some English) or to an English Pub where English is also pretty commonplace.

The problem is, Roppongi IMO is probably the lamest place in Tokyo to go clubbing. So many foreigners, etc, everything is really fake, I went club/bar hopping there once and the music + the crowd were both really crappy. The nicest/classiest/chill places to go seem to be Shibuya and Yokohama. Unless you speak at least basic Japanese or are good at dancing, though, stick w/the English pubs or Roppongi to find English-speakers. The other thing about English pubs and/or Roppongi is that Japanese know that foreigners will go to these places, so they go there specifically to find foreigners/Americans to practice English with/hook up with/whatever. Some Japanese know hardly any English but love hearing it/trying to have English conversations. All depends on what you're interested in, I guess.

I haven't really been to any house parties outside the couple that other study abroad students around here have thrown, which have been nice, typically seems to draw a nice crowd of Japanese + foreigners. The greatest thing about parties here though are Izakaya, which are restaurants where you can typically do infinite drinking for a set time (usually 2 hours). Izakaya parties are always dope because they're usually arranged/designed for new people to meet, or acquaintances to get to know each other better. Of course, alcohol is always a quick icebreaker.

Hope that gives you some insight!! The scene here is overall really fun, I assure you.

Destin 05-16-2005 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by fubarduck
I have been to a few various places here and there, and the scene is pretty chill IF you go to the right places.

I don't like dancing/non-verbal type clubs, I have no game unless my mouth is open, so I can't really comment on that.

The main problem for most people visiting would be the language barrier I suppose (unless you just go to dancing loud-music blaring places), but if you can't speak Japanese you pretty much have to go to Roppongi (where you can be assured that most people there will speak at least some English) or to an English Pub where English is also pretty commonplace.

The problem is, Roppongi IMO is probably the lamest place in Tokyo to go clubbing. So many foreigners, etc, everything is really fake, I went club/bar hopping there once and the music + the crowd were both really crappy. The nicest/classiest/chill places to go seem to be Shibuya and Yokohama. Unless you speak at least basic Japanese or are good at dancing, though, stick w/the English pubs or Roppongi to find English-speakers. The other thing about English pubs and/or Roppongi is that Japanese know that foreigners will go to these places, so they go there specifically to find foreigners/Americans to practice English with/hook up with/whatever. Some Japanese know hardly any English but love hearing it/trying to have English conversations. All depends on what you're interested in, I guess.

I haven't really been to any house parties outside the couple that other study abroad students around here have thrown, which have been nice, typically seems to draw a nice crowd of Japanese + foreigners. The greatest thing about parties here though are Izakaya, which are restaurants where you can typically do infinite drinking for a set time (usually 2 hours). Izakaya parties are always dope because they're usually arranged/designed for new people to meet, or acquaintances to get to know each other better. Of course, alcohol is always a quick icebreaker.

Hope that gives you some insight!! The scene here is overall really fun, I assure you.


There will be much partying when i get down there. How long are you staying again?

monkee77 05-16-2005 08:51 AM

Just a mere sample!
 
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Originally Posted by popo187
good thread. Eric J, Saotome, NKI (or anyone who posts here): what's the craziest experience you ever had in Japan?



Or is it.. What happens in Japan, stays in Japan? :confused:


Beware of the CHU-HI and cheap NOMIHODAIS! Heed this warning more than anything!!! The sports drink for alcoholic has made its way into 90% of most of my craziest mishaps and ventures in Japan! There is a chain of restaruants called BLDY, "still to this day. I have no ideal how to pronounce it?" here in Tokyo. Once upon a time they had a deal better than Nomihodai, which is all you can drink for 2 hours usually. They had a deal called the fruity bar. So basically you pay about $7 and you can go back to this mini bar and make your own drinks until it closed or if they happened to run out of liquor and the selection was good for a minibar :wow: We would wake up the next morning and I would see the same scene over and over. I would slide my tatami room door open and there would be this 6'10 basketball player from Boston on my couch and the pre-med student for Houston on my floor every Thursday. And I would start the day with. "Hey, did we rob or run outta that place last night because I gotta whole lotta f#cking money in my pocket?" Soon, after all the BLDY chains in the Saitama area from Nerima to Hanno stop the fruity bars :sad: but I heard that the ones deeper in Tokyo still have Fruity Bars.
Now CHU-HIs, ask ERIC J, he knows they are the sports drink for alcoholics. He smuggled some back to America after I told him not to do it! CHU-HIs do not need to find there way into America culture! The best way to explain CHU-HI is imagine if you will that KOOL-AID, Sprite, and GATORADE merged to make a better tasting slightly carbonated sports drink with a hidden half shot of shochu = a type of japanese sake. No really, It tastes like Gatorade but better. So you get to drinking these at an alarming rate because they actually taste really good (4/5 can per hour), they come in a variety of flavors in tall cans, and they are so cheap! So after that first hour your fine and your thinking, "Yeah, I can drink some more." Just because you can't feel it does not mean that you are not drunk! The worst ever was when Isaac, my drinking Nemisis and one of the tallest guys in Tokyo I kid you not, somehow drag our bodies from Shibuya at 5:30 for the first train back to Saitama and...... (FUCK, I gotta get to work! I'll finish this later) But Eric J is a international Bootlegger!!! lol!

Toodles 05-16-2005 10:10 AM

Just wanted to drop a line that my tickets are paid for. Ill be in Tokyo (don't know which part yet) from about June 7th through July 20th. Any other expats want to get together for drinking, cruising, and/or gaming, hit me up.

TS 05-16-2005 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by NKI
-Watching a girl get groped in the train station, then watching said girl break her umbrella over the groper's skull.



OK, so you need to start walking around with a camera every time you leave the apartment.

Xenozip. 05-16-2005 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by NKI
Hrm...I dunno. ozy knows a lot of American combo vids, but I'm not sure about other Japanese players.

-Nicholai!
Hmm.. That sucks. Maybe I just shouldn't even bother anymore.

NKI 05-16-2005 02:50 PM

As for night life, Fubardizzle summed it up pretty well.

Toodles - I'm usually at More on Friday and/or Saturday night. I'm pretty much the only honkey playing ST/AE, and I only use red Chun. If you see me, say hi!

TS - I actually bought a digital camera specifically for Japan, because I knew there would be craziness everywhere.

Xenozip. - Well, like I said, I simply don't know if they keep up with American combo vids or not. I remember seeing one of my ST vids being hosted by some Japanese guy, but the file was renamed as a superplay something or other...:confused:


-Nicholai!

monkee77 05-16-2005 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by NKI
Toodles - I'm usually at More on Friday and/or Saturday night. I'm pretty much the only honkey playing ST/AE, and I only use red Chun. If you see me, say hi!-Nicholai!


Yeah,I rolled by MORE last night. But I didn't see any foreigners beside me. I got on the elevator and I went to the floor that said GAMERS. I was like WTF?! but then I walked round a bit in the store and then I went down one floor and saw some awesome matches. And now I truly hate YUN in 3S! But I did see this beastily ass GUILE player! I wanted to stay longer but that smoke in there was thick like and my friend was having trouble breathing in there.

NKI 05-16-2005 07:36 PM

If that beastly Guile was using CE Guile, it was probably More Balrog. He has a pretty good CE Guile. If it was ST Guile, it was probably Muteki Guile. Not only is that guy the damn cheapest, his name literally means "Invincible Guile"...:confused:

And yeah, I forgot to tell you to bring your gas mask when you go to More. My bad.


-Nicholai!

Hol Horse 05-16-2005 11:30 PM

Muteki Guile is insane indeed
oh and Muteki Guile vs Kurahashi @ SBO1 = best Guile mirror match ever!

Chupacabra 05-16-2005 11:43 PM

thats cool that you liked it but damn, i thought that was insanely boring to watch.

NKI 05-16-2005 11:43 PM

Heard back from Yuu Vega; he said he can't make it to Evo, but he doesn't know about the others. No reply back from Tama. I probably got his address wrong...:confused:

Going to an ST/AE tourney in Nakano this Sunday with Yuu Vega and co. Should be hot!


-Nicholai!

moop 05-17-2005 12:08 AM

is yuu vega the one who plays the blue/yellow dic?

Toodles 05-17-2005 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by NKI
Toodles - I'm usually at More on Friday and/or Saturday night. I'm pretty much the only honkey playing ST/AE, and I only use red Chun. If you see me, say hi!

Planning on it. Found out a little about the place Im staying at. I think I have an address, but its gibberish to me(東京都台東区浅草橋2丁目8-10). I think is says its about three minutes walk from 浅草橋 station (Shallow grass bridge? WTF?) and about 11 minutes walk from Akihabra station (that might be 11 minute train ride, not sure. damn google translate), so Im jizzing myself about being pretty close to Akihabra. Bah, who needs retirement savings when I can get all these cool toys now.

And for some reason Im scared to find out what the 'shady negros' in your map will be, but Im sure I'll take a look and say 'Hey, them some shady negros. This must be the place.'

Eric J 05-17-2005 10:25 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toodles
Planning on it. Found out a little about the place Im staying at. I think I have an address, but its gibberish to me(東京都台東区浅草橋2丁目8-10). I think is says its about three minutes walk from 浅草橋 station (Shallow grass bridge? WTF?) and about 11 minutes walk from Akihabra station (that might be 11 minute train ride, not sure. damn google translate), so Im jizzing myself about being pretty close to Akihabra. Bah, who needs retirement savings when I can get all these cool toys now.

And for some reason Im scared to find out what the 'shady negros' in your map will be, but Im sure I'll take a look and say 'Hey, them some shady negros. This must be the place.'


It's Tokyo-to Taito-ku (Taito ward) Asakusa-bashi (Shallow Grass Bridge) nichoume (sort of like a block. japan does addresses like this) 8-10. The station is Asakusabashi station. That's kind of far from Akihabara walking, so it's by train.

Yes, the shady jegros lol. Do NOT wander over into Kabuki-cho, mad fools hustlin' for your dollahz lol :tdown:

Ooooohhhhh Chuu hai's :clap: Lovely shit son

Thongboy Bebop 05-17-2005 10:36 AM

Can someone get a picture of the shady negroes without getting shivved? I'm hella-curious.

N

monkee77 05-17-2005 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Thongboy Bebop
Can someone get a picture of the shady negroes without getting shivved? I'm hella-curious.

N


Yeah I think can I get it. But the shady negroes will not step to you. They just squander of the mad shady deals. Like the overpriced hip hop gear! Like Japanese people say the Kabuki Chou is dangerous place but if your American and you actually been to slum area. In comparision, this is like walking through a park with the girls in mega short skirts. :rolleyes:

omni 05-17-2005 01:13 PM

The last time I was in Japan, I was walking past The Shady Negroes (TM) on my way to More and I had a backpack on (cause you fucking need some sort of man purse to survive in Jpn) and keep in mind that all The Shady Negroes (TM) are like Haitian or from Trinidad or some shit and are like 6 feet tall - basically I compared them to the evil orcs in the Shire but whatever. So yeah, I'm walking on my way to More when one of them is all, 'hey guy you need a special massage' or some shit and I replied, 'no yo - I'm busy' and he starts freaking out! Grabs my backpack and is like, 'what is this yo you speak of?' and I was all, 'get the fuck off of me yo!!!' and spun around hella fast and started mean mugging him. He just kept saying, 'what is this yo?' and I just continued walking to More.

I love jpn but I hate The Shady Negroes (TM) which has nothing to do with being racist. They are just like bodyguards for the Yakuza or maybe their own gang or some shit trying to get anyone off the street to have sex with the chinese/korean girls that can't speak japanese and get reals jobs.

Derek

Thongboy Bebop 05-17-2005 01:36 PM

I wonder if I'm shady enough to join. I can totally shake down random tourists and sell 'special massages'. Is there a brochure?

N

Tantin 05-17-2005 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Thongboy Bebop
I wonder if I'm shady enough to join. I can totally shake down random tourists and sell 'special massages'. Is there a brochure?

N


I don't think they have a good benefits package.

T - Again, stealing your post style.

NKI 05-17-2005 05:03 PM

Hahaha...even though I wasn't there to actually witness it, I can vividly see Derek getting hustled by some monstrous shady ogre negro with broken English.


-Nicholai!

Thongboy Bebop 05-17-2005 05:10 PM

Oy, Nikko. Do you think American ST can get big again?

N

monkee77 05-17-2005 08:55 PM

I never get hassled by the The Shady Negroes (TM). Well, partly because I roll with GIANTS of Yoyogi. The average height of everyone in our group is about 6'2. Once you hit 6'2 Japan becomes a bit of a problem at times. But being hassled by cops and the Shady Negroes (TM) isn't one of them. :tup:

Hey NKI or anyone in Tokyo were prolly gonna roll by MORE on Sunday after we play basketball Yoyogi park. What time do you usually pop in there?

P.S. If anyone wants to play basketball. Please come to the Nike Court in Harajuku in the afternoon around 1:30pm. If you want to play, bring your "A-GAME!". These guys are serious!

Eric J 05-17-2005 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by omni
The last time I was in Japan, I was walking past The Shady Negroes (TM) on my way to More and I had a backpack on (cause you fucking need some sort of man purse to survive in Jpn) and keep in mind that all The Shady Negroes (TM) are like Haitian or from Trinidad or some shit and are like 6 feet tall - basically I compared them to the evil orcs in the Shire but whatever. So yeah, I'm walking on my way to More when one of them is all, 'hey guy you need a special massage' or some shit and I replied, 'no yo - I'm busy' and he starts freaking out! Grabs my backpack and is like, 'what is this yo you speak of?' and I was all, 'get the fuck off of me yo!!!' and spun around hella fast and started mean mugging him. He just kept saying, 'what is this yo?' and I just continued walking to More.

I love jpn but I hate The Shady Negroes (TM) which has nothing to do with being racist. They are just like bodyguards for the Yakuza or maybe their own gang or some shit trying to get anyone off the street to have sex with the chinese/korean girls that can't speak japanese and get reals jobs.

Derek



Well the shady negroes I was talking about was japanese when I walked through. Basically dude was the head boss of the massage/whorehouse places. Spoke perfect English. Well anyway like monkee said it's like a cake walk compared to any shady place here, especially if you black lol. Those dudes probably African though, it's mad Africans out there in jpn too

NKI 05-17-2005 11:20 PM

moop - Sorry I forgot to reply to you earlier. I can't remember what color Yuu Vega he uses, but I think he uses The Grammy (gold). I'll try to remember to notice next time.

Thongboy BizzleBozzle - I think if Americans saw players like Tama, Yuu Vega, Noguchi, etc, it would definitely spark some interest. Hopefully I'll be able to bring back some footage, but I can't make any promises.

monkee77 - On Sunday, I'm meeting up with Yuu Vega at More at 6:00pm to go to a tourney in Nakano. I probably won't be at More for very long, but you should come to the tourney if you have time. We can get owned up together! :tup:


-Nicholai!

Musashi 05-19-2005 08:28 AM

In ST, what are some differences (if any) amongst new and old? Besides a couple characters saving their charge?

NKI 05-19-2005 08:07 PM

Musashi: http://shoryuken.com/forums/showthr...2&page=31&pp=15

Scroll down about half-way.


-Nicholai!

Musashi 05-21-2005 04:57 AM

Cool thanks. A few more questions:

Do the players generally play with a certain color of their character?

Is there any use for Chun's Spinning Bird Kick? I can't seem to find anything useful for it. The only thing I use it for is when I jump away.

Don't you hate it when you try to cross-up and when you land with a s.hp, she does it the other way from the opponent?

Ouroborus 05-21-2005 05:06 AM

in the pre ST versions, u can use it to avoid fireballs since it has invincibility

Ryu1999 05-21-2005 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ouroborus
in the pre ST versions, u can use it to avoid fireballs since it has invincibility


O. Chun Li in ST has the same thing. Much more reliable as anti-air than the up-kick she loses from new. It even beats out new shoto dps :(

dialupsucky 05-21-2005 07:50 AM

i cant say for sure but umm shoto dps in ST are about the worst "shoryuken" type moves anyway in the game at least priorty wise(not saying there less usefulll then other characters cuz they are more usefull then a lot of others peoples but still). Balrog, hawk, vega etc all will beat ryu/ken shoryuken if done at same time, or even before. And I wouldnt be suprised if guiles,chun lis "shoryukens" also beat ryus and kens. I would almost go as far as to say djs...but ill pray that thats not the case.

el_diablo 05-21-2005 10:20 AM

actually, Dee Jay's don't. neither does Cammy's, Guile's, Chun's(might have to check on the LK one) and Fei Long's(not sure about Fei Long).

NKI 05-21-2005 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Musashi
Do the players generally play with a certain color of their character?
Yeah, most ST players have their own specific color.

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Is there any use for Chun's Spinning Bird Kick? I can't seem to find anything useful for it. The only thing I use it for is when I jump away.
It does still have invincibility, so you can use it to avoid block damage death, like if the opponent tries to do meaty Shinkuu Hadouken for the kill.

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Don't you hate it when you try to cross-up and when you land with a s.hp, she does it the other way from the opponent?
I dunno, I never go for cross-ups. Against a downed opponent, I always go for D/F+RH or guaranteed Lightning Legs block damage.

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Originally Posted by Ouroborus
in the pre ST versions, u can use it to avoid fireballs since it has invincibility
It has less invincibility, but it still works in ST.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryu1999
O. Chun Li in ST has the same thing. Much more reliable as anti-air than the up-kick she loses from new. It even beats out new shoto dps :(
Upkicks are pretty good if you use Short and do it as late as possible, but I would always do anti-air fireball (trade, but the opp. gets knocked down) or jump straight up RH. :tup:

And yeah, N.Ryu's DP is pretty weak, comparatively. N.Ken's is better, but not by much.


-Nicholai!

WB! 05-21-2005 10:43 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Musashi
Don't you hate it when you try to cross-up and when you land with a s.hp, she does it the other way from the opponent?

When I cross up lk or mk with Chun in ST, I usually hit s.mp. I've never had the s.mp go the other way from the opponent but even if it did it has a lot less recovery than s.hp. If you hit the opponent with the s.mp too you can link to d.mk, another s.mp or even s.hp for a combo as well and there's always those dirty throw games that come from s.mp too.

I should use d/f hk more though... :xeye:

Ryu1999 05-22-2005 01:09 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by dialupsucky
i cant say for sure but umm shoto dps in ST are about the worst "shoryuken" type moves anyway in the game at least priorty wise(not saying there less usefulll then other characters cuz they are more usefull then a lot of others peoples but still). Balrog, hawk, vega etc all will beat ryu/ken shoryuken if done at same time, or even before. And I wouldnt be suprised if guiles,chun lis "shoryukens" also beat ryus and kens. I would almost go as far as to say djs...but ill pray that thats not the case.


Well, Vega's move "beats" it only because its invincibility last longer, so the 2nd hit will hit a jab shoto dp. Never tried meaty dp on balrog b/c I never try to get close to the dude. New shoto srk beats Chun-Li's upkicks as well as DJ's

Strangely enough, even O. Sagat's uppercut gets raped by new shotos srk even though it seems to be so high-prioirty

NKI 05-23-2005 01:01 AM

2-on-2 Super Turbo Tourney at Royal arcade (Nakano)
I met up with Yuu Vega at More around 6:00pm, played a few games of ST, then met up with two other guys and headed out to Nakano for the tourney. One of the guys we met up with is the guy with the disgusting T.Hawk (the guy who lands the super almost every round). I can't remember his name, so I'll just call him Mr. 720 for now. I mentioned to him that against Noguchi's Fei Long, I'm pretty much 0-for-life. He said not to feel bad because the Chicken Wing (Rekkuukyaku, Fei's Tiger Knee move) owns her so bad that even Oto-Chun (probably the best Chun in the world) can't beat Noguchi's Fei...:confused:

Along the way, I was chatting with the other guy, and I thought he said "I'm on Yuu Vega's team". When we got to the tourney, I said to Yuu Vega, "Since I'm a one-man-team, can I use double Chun?" He kind of hesitated, then asked the tourney staff, and they said it would be OK. Then he said, "So......you want to fight by yourself...?" and that's when I realized he actually planned on being on a team with me. I was really relieaved too, 'cause Yuu Vega/NKI is a hella better team than double NKI. Once you figure out my shenanigans, I'm done for...:confused:

We made it to the top 3, and that's where they started round robin. We ended up with a three-way tie, so we had to play round robin again, and yet again we had a three-way tie. This happened four times, but finally Muteki Guile/Chamu (his girlfriend?) ended up taking first, a hella good Gief/O.Honda team took second, and Yuu Vega and I took third.

When we had to go up against the Gief/O.Honda team, Yuu Vega asked me if I wanted to go first and face Gief. Being that Gief is the match I feel the most confident in, I said hell yeah, I'll take that match. I then proceeded to get swept two straight rounds with a perfect and an FAB finish to top off the second round. Dude's Gief was hella good! :wow:

His partner (the O.Honda player) was also hella good, and they even beat Muteki Guile/Chamu during one of the round robin rounds. Yes, an O.Honda beat Muteki Guile in tourney. This guy was the master of Hundred Hand Slaps and st.Jab, which is crazy good. Just like for Mr. 720, getting in on the opponent is a problem, but once he gets in, it's all over.

We had to face them three other times during the round robin finals. I beat the Gief player the second time, and I nearly beat the O.Honda player. It was down to pixels on the last round, and he tried to chip me to death with Hands. I had meter at that time, so I thought, "Wow, thanks for the free win", but either I didn't have the super charged, or I hit the button too late or something, because I died to the Hands. :sad:

The third and fourth times Yuu Vega cleaned house all by himself. :tup:

Muteki Guile is the master of Guile's super. He got some fool dizzy, and the guy only had about 7% left, so I thought, "OK, he'll just throw him for the kill." Nope. He does cr.Short->st.Short xx super. I'm not really sure how that's even possible, and I'm just speculating here, but maybe it's done as a kara cancel:
charge D/B, cr.Short, neutral+Short, D/F, D, D/B, B, U/B+Short~Forward

It doesn't end there though, as he also pulls off the super in situations where it seems impossible to have it charged. One time the opponent knocked down Muteki Guile, then went for the cross-up, and Muteki Guile did reversal super the correct way (to the other side). He should have lost his charge after being crossed-up, so the only thing I can think of is maybe if he starts charging D/B immediately after being knocked down, then keeps holding it as he is crossed-up. As the opponent switches sides, the D/B that he was holding would then become D/F. Those are the first two commands of the super, so from there just hit D, D/B, B, U/B+kick. (Not sure; just speculating.)

Oh yeah, and he landed cross-up j.Short, cr.Jab xx super on me. I have no idea how you can charge the super in that combo...:confused:

I don't know why, but Mr. 720 didn't enter the tourney. However, afterwards, he had a 15 streak going, which was by far the largest streak there. The second largest was only maybe 4 or 5.

Quote:
Originally Posted by moop
is yuu vega the one who plays the blue/yellow dic?
You are correct, sir.


-Nicholai!

moop 05-23-2005 01:58 AM

does noguchi play red fei as his main? I think i remember him from some old vids.

if so it's impressive that he can beast with other chars as well.

NKI 05-23-2005 03:00 AM

moop - I'm sorry I have to give you the same reply I gave last time when you asked about Yuu Vega: "I don't remember what color he uses, but I'll try to notice next time." :sweat:


-Nicholai!

Drunken Master 05-23-2005 04:11 AM

NKI: Do the japanese know about SRK? Or more specifically, the fact that they've got a mole in their midsts, who is getting info and spewing it back overseas? :)

Bonio 05-23-2005 05:08 AM

NKI: what about mvc2 scene in japan? any news/info? where can I find new mvc2 japan matches?

Eric J 05-23-2005 11:24 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
2-on-2 Super Turbo Tourney at Royal arcade (Nakano)

It doesn't end there though, as he also pulls off the super in situations where it seems impossible to have it charged. One time the opponent knocked down Muteki Guile, then went for the cross-up, and Muteki Guile did reversal super the correct way (to the other side). He should have lost his charge after being crossed-up, so the only thing I can think of is maybe if he starts charging D/B immediately after being knocked down, then keeps holding it as he is crossed-up. As the opponent switches sides, the D/B that he was holding would then become D/F. Those are the first two commands of the super, so from there just hit D, D/B, B, U/B+kick. (Not sure; just speculating.)

-Nicholai!


That reminds me of doing Vega's (Dic) super after throw in CFJ/Evolution. You like have to charge forward instead of backwards, then like switch to holding back before he throws them off of his foot, then F,B,F + P, like some kind of crossover charge storage or something. Sounds something like that. Weird shit. But funny thing is doing this method works even out of the corner, contrary to everyone doing the throw to jumping MP to no damage on the super in the corner. Oh well, who plays that game anymore anyway, just a little tidbit.
:karate:

NKI 05-23-2005 01:02 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunken Master
NKI: Do the japanese know about SRK? Or more specifically, the fact that they've got a mole in their midsts, who is getting info and spewing it back overseas? :)
Haha. Well, they know about SRK, Evo, American top players, etc, but I don't think they know (or care) that I'm spilling all the goods. They'd probably be happy to see that people in America are interested in ST.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonio
NKI: what about mvc2 scene in japan? any news/info? where can I find new mvc2 japan matches?
I just sent an e-mail to Chikyuu to find out what ever happened to the Mitsu/Justin tape.

Eric J - Yeah, CFJ gets pretty much no action now. I think I saw one guy playing by himself last week, and that was it. I wouldn't be surprised if CFJ quickly starts to disappear from arcades here.


-Nicholai!

Eishi 05-23-2005 09:31 PM

Glad to hear that. Fuck CFJ, I'll continue to pretend that this game never existed.

NKI, do you have some info concerning this dvd ? http://www.tanomi.com/insanity/item_sf.html

It looks very interesting, I really wanna see You Vega, Noguchi, and Mayacon (best T hawk player according to the site) in action. The dvd seems expensive but it comes with a book and an audio cd. I will definitely buy it when it comes out (june 30th).

Saotome Kaneda 05-23-2005 10:30 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eishi
Glad to hear that. Fuck CFJ, I'll continue to pretend that this game never existed.

NKI, do you have some info concerning this dvd ? http://www.tanomi.com/insanity/item_sf.html

It looks very interesting, I really wanna see You Vega, Noguchi, and Mayacon (best T hawk player according to the site) in action. The dvd seems expensive but it comes with a book and an audio cd. I will definitely buy it when it comes out (june 30th).

Rule of thumb:

The Japanese never release/press a shitty Match Vid/Super Play/Combo Exhibition DVD.


NEVER.



Even for SvC.


EDIT(checked the site): Haha @ Beast Daigo
Most of these mofos been playing since the beginning...o_o; There's like, 4 heads that have been playing less time than Daigo has... More proof that he isn't the say all end all(although his track record as shown is more impressive...). =/ I'm so copping this shit.

NKI 05-23-2005 10:39 PM

Nah, I don't have any extra info, but Saotome is right: if it's a Japanese vid, it'll be hotness. I plan on picking up a copy right quick.


-Nicholai!

Saotome Kaneda 05-23-2005 10:42 PM

Actually, I don't think the concentrated amount of beasting can be contained on such feeble media. They'd better get a dual layer or something...=/

Toodles 05-24-2005 03:31 PM

Any common nihongo phrases or terms I should know for japanese arcades? I hear 'nisu' (nice) from some announcers, but how would you normally tell an opponent 'good one', 'good job' and 'you rock'? Right now I'm limited to something like 'anata wa joju des'(spelled phoentically as I understand them. Ive only been working with tapes).

What is the correct verb for 'play', as in playing an arcade game or console video game? Is there one specifically for fighting games? What's the word for 'arcade', like 'More *something* doko des ka'?

fubarduck 05-24-2005 04:04 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toodles
Any common nihongo phrases or terms I should know for japanese arcades? I hear 'nisu' (nice) from some announcers, but how would you normally tell an opponent 'good one', 'good job' and 'you rock'? Right now I'm limited to something like 'anata wa joju des'(spelled phoentically as I understand them. Ive only been working with tapes).

What is the correct verb for 'play', as in playing an arcade game or console video game? Is there one specifically for fighting games? What's the word for 'arcade', like 'More *something* doko des ka'?


Anyone will probably understand "naisu" (nice). The best way to tell an opponent "good one" or "you rock" or something like that is probably "Itai!" which means "That hurt!". Other good phrases in this situation are "Tsuiyoi!" (You are strong/that was strong) "Umai!" (That was good/skillful/tasty), and "Oishii" (which means "delicious" but can be applied to fighting games--aka a delicious set-up or delicious combo).

The first sentence you were trying to say (Anata wa jouzu desu), while gramatically correct, isn't something you would say to a stranger since it's generally rude to refer to somebody else as "anata" (you). The polite way to address a stranger is with their last name, and failing that, it's probably best just to leave the subject of the sentence out (just tell them "Jouzu!" but make it clear that you're not talking about yourself).

The verb for "play" like to play video games or arcades is simply "suru" or "yaru" (either one is fine). Both simply mean "to do" but suru is a little bit more polite. As it turns out, most Japanese fighting game players use "yaru" while a Japanese non-gamer would probably say "suru". Don't be confused by the verb "asobu" which translates to "to play" when you use a dictionary--the word "asobu" refers more to like the way children play outside. It sounds really strange/foreigner-like if you use it for playing video games.

Finally, the word for "arcade" in Japanese is "Geemu Sentaa" (pronounced "Gaay-moo Centaa"--Game Center). They will not understand what an arcade is, "akeedo" (arcade) in Japanese refers to the individual arcade machine that you play on within a Game Center. So, for example, if you wanted to ask "Where is More Arcade?" You would ask "Moa toiu Geemu Sentaa wa doko desu ka." (Where is the arcade called More?) "Toiu" in this sentence specifies that "Moa" is the name of a game center since this word has no meaning in the context of the sentence otherwise. If you asked a hardcore fighting gamer, you probably wouldn't need to say "toiu" although it wouldn't hurt.

On a seperate note, I should point out that since every fighting game you will play here is on a head-to-head cabinet, the games are generally very anti-social. As Americans, we are used to playing right next to each other which makes talking a little less awkward. You will probably not find yourself speaking much to your opponents in Japan, it's typically a pretty rare thing unless you know the person already or something like that. Infact, most people if you tried to say something to them during/after a match without having talked to you first or seen them around quite a bit would probably just look at you funny/ignore you.

/end language+culture lesson ;) Hope that helped!

Toodles 05-24-2005 04:21 PM

Thanks, that does help. I knew about the head-to-head cabinets, but I didn't know if it was weird to talk to anyone. Its an arcade, not a strip club or men's room urinal. Hell, my japanese will be too sucky so I'll probly be all clammed up anyways. I put the 'anata wa' in because there didn't seem to be any frame of reference who the subject should be, and don't know if I could get across acknowledging them with just inflection. Id hate for it to be interpeted as being me, and have something think 'Who's this idiot braggart who just got his ass kicked?'

Sigh. Maybe I should camp in a few beginner japanese IRC channels and bounce questions off of people.

fubarduck 05-24-2005 04:44 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toodles
Thanks, that does help. I knew about the head-to-head cabinets, but I didn't know if it was weird to talk to anyone. Its an arcade, not a strip club or men's room urinal. Hell, my japanese will be too sucky so I'll probly be all clammed up anyways. I put the 'anata wa' in because there didn't seem to be any frame of reference who the subject should be, and don't know if I could get across acknowledging them with just inflection. Id hate for it to be interpeted as being me, and have something think 'Who's this idiot braggart who just got his ass kicked?'

Sigh. Maybe I should camp in a few beginner japanese IRC channels and bounce questions off of people.

Sorry, wasn't trying to discourage you or anything--also remember that generally they cut us foreigners a lot of slack since we tend to butcher their language while we're still learning =P

You'll get an idea of what it's like though after you walk into a popular Game Center to play for the first time. It's quite hard to explain the mood, but everyone is kinda doing their own thing. You'll see it first hand soon enough.

Eric J 05-24-2005 07:51 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by fubarduck
The verb for "play" like to play video games or arcades is simply "suru" or "yaru" (either one is fine). Both simply mean "to do" but suru is a little bit more polite. As it turns out, most Japanese fighting game players use "yaru" while a Japanese non-gamer would probably say "suru". Don't be confused by the verb "asobu" which translates to "to play" when you use a dictionary--the word "asobu" refers more to like the way children play outside. It sounds really strange/foreigner-like if you use it for playing video games.


actually you can use asobu to refer to playing games, I have heard Japanese use it when refering to playing games.

NKI 05-24-2005 10:25 PM

Most sentances in Japanese don't have a subject because it's understood from context, but because almost every English sentence has a subject, for us native English speakers, sometimes it can get confusing who/what is being talked about.

"asobu" is also used just as a general term for "hang out". They often say things like "itsu ka asobou ne" ("let's hang out sometime").

A lot of times instead of "geemu sentaa", they'll shorten it to "geesen", (pronounced like "gay sen"). The Japanese love to shorten every possible word or phrase.


-Nicholai!

Musashi 05-25-2005 04:12 AM

Do the Japanese have their own version of SRK? Or do they just stick with Arcadia mag?

Draeger 05-25-2005 06:16 AM

NKI:

What happened happened to Bro. Ken and Bro. Chun? I heard they are legends within the Japanese ST community, yet I hear nothing of them recently.

Hol Horse 05-25-2005 07:31 AM

Aren't Otochun and Aniken from Osaka?

NKI 05-25-2005 03:30 PM

If the Japanese have their own SRK, I don't know where it is. There are tons and tons of fan sites, but I'm not sure if they have one central site like SRK.

I know Oto-Chun lives in Osaka, but I dunno about Ani-Ken. I wish Oto-Chun lived in Tokyo...so I could XCOPY his strats...


-Nicholai!

Tantin 05-25-2005 08:16 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
I know Oto-Chun lives in Osaka, but I dunno about Ani-Ken.


Where is Aniken? Is he safe? .... Nooooooooooooooooooooooo..ooo

AKA 05-26-2005 03:58 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tantin
Where is Aniken? Is he safe? .... Nooooooooooooooooooooooo..ooo


Luke...you can destroy the Emperor! He has forseen this. It is...your...destiny! Join me...and we can rule the galaxy as father and son! Come with me....it is the only way.

HoneyBBQGrundle 05-26-2005 08:53 AM

I also notice in every video when someone does something nice and fucks someone up they say "Saaaaaah". I can't tell if this is good, as in oh shit that guy just beasted, or bad as in that guy got destroyed. It seems like they feel bad for the guy when they say it though. In the really old cvs2 tourney that Ohnuki won, I could also swear the woman announcer said "start the race" before the matches lol. I love the announcers.

Shinomori 05-26-2005 09:14 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by AKA
Luke...you can destroy the Emperor! He has forseen this. It is...your...destiny! Join me...and we can rule the galaxy as father and son! Come with me....it is the only way.



:sad: :sad: .

JP

Olan 05-27-2005 04:19 AM

nki, how many spds do you see landed in the typical geif match?
is the spd like the central focus of geifs play? thank you

Thongboy Bebop 05-27-2005 04:57 AM

If I come to Japan, will you teach me ST? Come on, I know you want a shady negro of your very own to be seen with.

N

NKI 05-27-2005 04:10 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Olan
nki, how many spds do you see landed in the typical geif match?
is the spd like the central focus of geifs play? thank you
Usually the majority of the match is spent trying to get in (playing footsies with st.Forward, st.Short, cr.RH), then once he finally gets in, he'll land an SPD or two. If it's against Dic in the corner with no meter, he can win the whole round with repeated [j.Short, SPD]. He can almost do the same to Blanka, but he can trade using up-ball (must be a reversal). Dic just has nothing, other than super.

To answer your question more specifically, I'd say an average of about two or so, which is about 50% damage total.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thongboy Bebop
If I come to Japan, will you teach me ST? Come on, I know you want a shady negro of your very own to be seen with.
Deal! Maybe if I start rollin' with shady negros in my posse, the Shinjuku shady negros will leave me alone...:confused:


-Nicholai!

kenji X 05-27-2005 04:17 PM

Yeah...no st knowledge bro, but how do you beat Gief when he tick throws you with like the example you just gave. Do reversals work good?

monkee77 05-27-2005 06:48 PM

Yo'
 
Yo' NKI, I got your text late. My bad. We're gonna meet up one day!

Hey, we need to pool all the tokyo area SRK players together and have a gaming night at somebody's house. So we can all get to know each other better and just chill. Like there is prolly a good chance that we walked by each other in Tokyo and just never noticed one another.

NKI 05-28-2005 12:58 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by kenji X
Yeah...no st knowledge bro, but how do you beat Gief when he tick throws you with like the example you just gave. Do reversals work good?
The only character who absolutely can't do anything is Dic with no meter. Every other character can do a reversal, either before the move he ticks from, or before the SPD itself. So if he's trying to do j.Short, SPD, you can reverse before the j.Short, or before the SPD. Blanka can do up-ball for a reversal, but it will trade with Gief.

Quote:
Originally Posted by monkee77
Yo' NKI, I got your text late. My bad. We're gonna meet up one day!
How long will you be in Tokyo? I'm leaving July 15th. :sad:

Quote:
Hey, we need to pool all the tokyo area SRK players together and have a gaming night at somebody's house. So we can all get to know each other better and just chill.
If we can organize it, I'm down. I don't think there are that many SRKers in Tokyo...are there? :confused:


-Nicholai!

JumpsuitJesse 05-28-2005 07:02 AM

Quote:
I mentioned to him that against Noguchi's Fei Long, I'm pretty much 0-for-life. He said not to feel bad because the Chicken Wing (Rekkuukyaku, Fei's Tiger Knee move) owns her so bad that even Oto-Chun (probably the best Chun in the world) can't beat Noguchi's Fei...


NKI, can you tell me more about this Noguchi guy? Got any footage of him? I'd really like to know how this guy plays. What version of fei does he use? OG or ST?

Ryu1999 05-28-2005 07:05 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpsuitJesse
NKI, can you tell me more about this Noguchi guy? Got any footage of him? I'd really like to know how this guy plays. What version of fei does he use? OG or ST?


Since he's mentioning unbeatable chicken-wing tactics i'm going to assume its New Fei...

NKI 05-28-2005 12:16 PM

Noguchi plays N.Fei (red color, I think), and I will try my best to get some footage of him somehow, but I don't have a video camera, so I can't make any promises. Up at More, he definitely owns me harder than anyone else.

The worst part is that he owns me with just two moves: Fei's Chicken Wing, and Claw's Wall Dive. Noguchi definitely is the master of ambiguous Wall Dive Shenanigans. It's impossible to see it and block, because sometimes he lands it so meaty that he's overlapping you...not clearly on one side or the other...:confused:


-Nicholai!

JumpsuitJesse 05-29-2005 08:31 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Noguchi plays N.Fei (red color, I think), and I will try my best to get some footage of him somehow, but I don't have a video camera, so I can't make any promises. Up at More, he definitely owns me harder than anyone else.

The worst part is that he owns me with just two moves: Fei's Chicken Wing, and Claw's Wall Dive. Noguchi definitely is the master of ambiguous Wall Dive Shenanigans. It's impossible to see it and block, because sometimes he lands it so meaty that he's overlapping you...not clearly on one side or the other...:confused:


-Nicholai!


Tell him there are a few stateside fei players that are interested in his style :)

jms 05-29-2005 08:44 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by JumpsuitJesse
Tell him there are a few stateside fei players that are interested in his style :)


You can see him on the xmania vids combovideos is hosting right now. He plays blue fei on there (I think Tama is also on his team?). He uses chicken wing like a shoryuken (!) and if he hits a grounded opponent with it at the right range, he links a standing jab and then pops them with 3 rekkas :wow:

smoke 05-29-2005 08:51 AM

Noguchi footage
 
Apologies if this was mentioned already.

Check this link:

http://gfb.combovideos.com/archive/archive52.htm

Scroll down for:
"Jap Hyper Street Fighter 2 sample matches from the X-mania DVD"

There you'll see Noguchi (ST Fei Long) vs Aniken (ST Ken).

NKI 05-29-2005 01:05 PM

jms - Do you have the player list somewhere? I'm pretty sure that's Tama's Boxer, but I'd like to know who's playing the rest of the matches...


-Nicholai!

vpt_whatup 05-29-2005 01:44 PM

NKI: Sorry if this is old, but I thought that since you were at the event it would be best to ask you: What were the prizes for SBO3? Just curious since I heard that the Japanese tournaments don't have payouts. Thanks!

NKI 05-29-2005 05:37 PM

SBO is one of the very few tourneys that actually has cash prizes (in addition to small novelty prizes). For the 3S team tourney, all I can remember is the number $800. I can't remember if it was $1600 total and $800/person, or if it was $800 total, $400/person. I'm pretty sure it was the latter ($400/person), but there was definitely a cash prize.

Maybe Mopreme or fubar remembers exactly...


-Nicholai!

Knubbe 05-29-2005 06:11 PM

Tama's boxer is insane. Is that also him getting 3 straight wins in cd5 end of batch 3 beginning of batch 4?

NKI 05-30-2005 02:35 AM

I think so, but I'm not 100% sure. Tama is on the DVD for sure, and that looks like his Boxer...


-Nicholai!

jms 05-30-2005 08:01 AM

X-mania
 
An english player list I do not have. If it helps, the brackets from x-mania's site are here: http://xmania.hp.infoseek.co.jp/mania43.html

About Tama: All I'm going by is Kuni's old thread. (DON'T LOOK if you don't want to know who wins!) You can just tell him from his style of play--most likely that is him taking out that team himself on cd5. In addition to x-mania, a while ago a ST tournament that took place in TZW's arcade was released on #gamecombos. If anyone can find it, I'm *pretty sure* it's Tama's rog that goes on a large streak early on (he loses to otochun much later).

EDIT: hey NKI, help out all us people on this continent by pointing out Tama and other players on the pictures on x-mania's site! /hero worship

Evo M 05-30-2005 09:46 AM

Tama is the last guy on the right in the first picture

and noguchi is in the middle

jms 05-30-2005 12:47 PM

yay, thanks! :lovin: :lol:

I guess the after party must have started by the time the photos were taken, because he looks done.

FamousAmos 05-30-2005 02:02 PM

NKI! Whats up dude! This is Slips if you don't know my sn for shoryuken, heh. The sn means nothing, I just had been eating FamousAmos cookies while I was registering so there ya go, I'm tight. I had no idea about this thread, it's hella juicy, love readin about the ST insanity. I now feel better about losing to your T. Hawk back in the day and going nuts trying to figure out how the hell I'm losing. lol It seems T. Hawk just has a multitude of options for getting into Chun's grill and that = PEACE.

I wish I woulda been able to go to SBO, I know I woulda had a great time but work and lack of funds were owning me. =( I really really want to try and head up there for fun this summer and hang out with you and/or Mirai or something, get hella games in at T5 and ST and try and look like an idiot trying to play GGXX#R. Plus Japan is off the hook with a million other tight things I'm sure. Me and Billy busted out ST last weekend, it was hella cocky, it was my Chun vs. his Balrog (boxer), aka I 'heart' you vs. I hate you match. I had to let him know although his boxer was surprisngly better than I thought. There any new Chun strats I can Xcopy from ya? hehe. I'm prolly gonna have to work my ass off to try and be the best Chun in STL once you get back...cheapass. lol Alright dude, sounds liek you are havin a good time and cool thread.

PEACE

NKI 05-30-2005 08:26 PM

http://xmania.hp.infoseek.co.jp/mania43.html

First picture is of the winning team. If you translate their name, it can be either "Team Massacre", or "Team Slaughter", which I think is appropriate. From left to right: Umechin (Ryu), Noguchi (Fei), Tama (Boxer).

Next picture down is the 2nd place team, "The True Kurahashi Army". From left to right: Oto-Chun, Kurahashi Guile, Shin Dhalsim ("True Dhalsim")

FamousAmos - check your PMs!

I almost forgot to post the results of yesterday's tourney! I am very proud to say that I tied with Tama.............for last place. Both of our teams got peaced out first round. I dunno why, but Tama played DeeJay instead of Bison. The winning team was Dhalsim/random guy who barely played. Second place was Muteki Guile/Chamu. (I thought her name was "Chamu", and Tama said it too, but yesterday she wrote "Chimu", so I dunno. I'm easily confused.) Third place was that really sick N.Ken who I took footage of three years ago. His partner also happened to play N.Ken, but not quite as well. Yuu Vega was late and couldn't compete, but oddly enough there was another fella there who also went by the name "Yuu" and who also played Vega (Dic). Made for hella confusion.


-Nicholai!

TSC 05-30-2005 10:16 PM

Been reading this thread since the beginning and thought I would just say that it is one of the best threads on these forums by far. If I had the spare money NKI I would buy you a camcorder so you could record some of these bouts...one can only wish to have the amount of ST competitive VS play that you are getting in Nippon.

...walks away and shakes hands with envy

Alphastorm 05-30-2005 10:25 PM

Let's start an NKI camcorder fund. Everyone send him money thru paypal so he can buy one and tape this madness for us. Whose in?

Toodles 05-30-2005 11:10 PM

I fully plan on picking up a miniDV camera shortly after I arrive. ONE WEEK MOTHER-MUCHACHOS and Im in Tokyo.

hehe, getting pumped.

NKI 05-31-2005 12:33 AM

Hahaha...I appreciate the thought, but unfortunately I'm leaving Japan on July 15th. It breaks my heart that I have to go back home to reality. I wish I could stay here in Never Never Land forever...:sad:

Toodles - How long will you be in Tokyo?


-Nicholai!

Toodles 05-31-2005 12:38 AM

June 6th through July 20th. No plans, no dates, no schedules, just a place to crash and money in the bank. The guy Im sharing a pad with just got there and is getting settled into the apartment, but confirmed Akihabura is 10 minutes walking distance away, so god help my credit rating when I get there. Anybody needs anything from the states, gimme a holler and I'll see what I can do.

Saotome Kaneda 05-31-2005 07:51 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toodles
so god help my credit rating when I get there.


GGPO Good Credit No RE

monkee77 05-31-2005 06:38 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
How long will you be in Tokyo? I'm leaving July 15th. :sad:

If we can organize it, I'm down. I don't think there are that many SRKers in Tokyo...are there? :confused:


-Nicholai!


O.K. First let's get together on SUNDAY. My ex-roommate really wants to go club SEGA or MORE in Shinjuku. What is your schedule looking like for Sunday around 8pm?

As for the SRK Tokyo round-up, we need to do a console/game count. I have a DC with SF3/MVC2/Jojos/Project Justice. But no sticks :sad: For PS2: I have T5 and one PS2 ARCADE stick. For N64 (japanese): Smash/MarioKart64

-m77

NKI 05-31-2005 11:00 PM

monkee77 - Check PMs. :tup:

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that two days after I leave Japan, there is a huge, nation-wide ST tourney in Osaka, which everyone and his brother will be attending.

Rubbing salt in an already gaping wound...:sad::sad::sad:


-Nicholai!

Toodles 06-01-2005 07:27 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by monkee77
As for the SRK Tokyo round-up, we need to do a console/game count. I have a DC with SF3/MVC2/Jojos/Project Justice. But no sticks :sad: For PS2: I have T5 and one PS2 ARCADE stick. For N64 (japanese): Smash/MarioKart64

-m77

I'll be bringing my PS2 with HDloader and HD setup. Cvs2, MvC2, SFAC, CFJ, VF4E, KOF's out the wazoo, Korean GG#R, DOA2U, Tekken5, Tekken4, TTT, pretty much any fighting game and a ton of others. And my sanwa modded Namco stick, and I may pick up an HRAP when Im there. (Yes, its may be odd to bring a ps2 on a trip like this, but I figure there may be nights when Im broke and should practice up. Besides, I hope some of yall will be cheap bastards like me and want some games in that arent 100Y a pop.) I'll post up my number and text address as soon as I get a phone there.

Saotome Kaneda 06-01-2005 11:10 AM

NKI, making an EVO appearance this year?

I can change my plans and show up in Tokyo for a day or two before you have to pull out, but I'll still be on leave long enough to make Evo... Damn, if only you were leaving a day or two later...:sad:

NKI 06-01-2005 01:53 PM

Yeah, I've already got my ticket for Evo. If you'll be at Evo, or if you'll be in Tokyo anyway, let's meet up, but I don't want you to change your plans or go out of your way just to meet up with a square like me.


-Nicholai!

Saotome Kaneda 06-01-2005 02:21 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Yeah, I've already got my ticket for Evo. If you'll be at Evo, or if you'll be in Tokyo anyway, let's meet up, but I don't want you to change your plans or go out of your way just to meet up with a square like me.


-Nicholai!

It's no big deal, I just wanted to get my Tokyo shopping out the way without having to pay for room and board...:sweat: I come up to Tokyo at least once a year, and the original plan was to do it after Evo, but I might as well be there for your last hurrah.

fubarduck 06-02-2005 12:59 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toodles
June 6th through July 20th. No plans, no dates, no schedules, just a place to crash and money in the bank. The guy Im sharing a pad with just got there and is getting settled into the apartment, but confirmed Akihabura is 10 minutes walking distance away, so god help my credit rating when I get there. Anybody needs anything from the states, gimme a holler and I'll see what I can do.

You will quickly discover that every Japanese person in Akihabara knows English!





. . . they all say "This shop is duty-free" when you walk by =)



And in reply to someone's earlier message, there were indeed cash prizes at SBO for all the games, and this is one of the only (the only?) fighting game tournament with cash prizes.

The 3-man team tournaments were 100,000 yen to the winning team ($1,000) to be split amongst the teammates. I don't know what the numbers were for the 2-man team tournaments or the singles tournaments.

danomyte 06-04-2005 05:51 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Hahaha...I appreciate the thought, but unfortunately I'm leaving Japan on July 15th. It breaks my heart that I have to go back home to reality. I wish I could stay here in Never Never Land forever...:sad:

hey mister! >;( your coming back home and ur gonna like it! hey ill cook some bbq and you can come over to play ST and XvsSF! :cool:

monkee77 06-05-2005 05:20 PM

Yo' NKI! O.K. second try! I gots gas mask this time. So I'm ready for the ex-SMOG at MORE tonight. But I might go by Club SEGA first to check out some MVC2 comp first and help my boy look for a stick. We should be at more around 8:30pm If I see you, you'll see me. We foreigners kinda stick out Later.

monkee77 06-05-2005 06:46 PM

Change in plans. Sorry about that NKI my friend got drunk and I've had some unseen drama evolve in the last hour...So we need to really plan out a meeting for next time. Do you have a keitai?

NKI 06-05-2005 08:31 PM

Saotome - Let me know if you're gonna head on up!

danomyte - To be honest, I don't plan on playing games when I get back home. Over here in fantasy land I actually have time to play games, but in America I have to work full time and go to school full time. :sad:

monkee77 - PMs!


-Nicholai!

SNkNuT 06-06-2005 06:10 AM

Hey NKI, I was just wondering if Hyper Street Fighter 2: AE is the same as the original SSF2T because I can't seem to do any of the combos on AE's Super Turbo version that I see performed on the original Super Turbo.

NKI 06-06-2005 01:03 PM

As far as I know, all the combos should still work. Which combos specifically are giving you trouble?


-Nicholai!

SNkNuT 06-06-2005 01:21 PM

Strange I can buffer supers easily in CVS2 and 3S but I can't do it on AE. Maybe I'm playing with the PS2 version? :confused: Anyway thanks for helping me. :pleased:

Rock2k1 06-06-2005 01:46 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by SNkNuT
Strange I can buffer supers easily in CVS2 and 3S but I can't do it on AE. Maybe I'm playing with the PS2 version? :confused: Anyway thanks for helping me. :pleased:


Is it even possible to buffer supers? I also can't.

archetype 06-06-2005 02:29 PM

Timing is really tight on AE/ST. More so than any other game imo.

NKI 06-06-2005 09:49 PM

Yeah, other than Hawk's and Gief's, you can cancel into any super in the game, even Claw's. The timing is really strict, so you have to do half of the motion first before hitting a button. For example, for Ryu's cr.Fierce xx Shinkuu Hadouken:

D, D/F, F, D+Fierce, D/F, F+punch

Aside from [Short->Short xx super], you really won't see too many people comboing into supers because for the most part you can't option select it. With [Short->Short xx super], you can wait to see if it connects, then do the super accordingly.

Speaking of stuff that doesn't come up often in an actual match, today I happened to land a backwards combo with Chun:

cross-up j.Forward, backwards st.Strong, st.Strong, st.Strong

And somehow he wasn't dizzy after that...:confused:

Not that it mattered though, 'cause I lost 10 in a row to that guy anyway. :sad:


-Nicholai!

SNkNuT 06-07-2005 12:59 AM

For charge characters how would I buffer for ex. guiles' cr.strong into his super? Thanks for the help.

Spirited_Away 06-07-2005 03:38 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by SNkNuT
For charge characters how would I buffer for ex. guiles' cr.strong into his super? Thanks for the help.


You can link the super after the cr.strong, timing is very critical but works. Another way is to do it like this :

Charge DB,DF,DB+cr.strong, UP

Musashi 06-07-2005 03:06 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toodles
Anybody needs anything from the states, gimme a holler and I'll see what I can do.


Yeah, kidnap Shiina Ringo, and ship her over here with the latest copy of Gothic Lolita mag, please :sweat:

NKI: Hmm, I seem to be having problems executing Claw's wall dive in ST version and that version only. I can pull it off in the others with flying colors, but ST versions doesn't come out for me. Maybe I have to charge a few seconds extra? When I DO pull it off, I usually perform it like d/b xx og tiger knee. I think I can't comprehend a simple down/up charge although I can do Guile's flashkick :confused:

NKI 06-07-2005 08:00 PM

SNkNuT - As Spirited_Away said, you can link it, or you can cancel it, but you really should never do cr.Strong xx super unless the opponent is dizzy. It's better to do [cr.Short->cr.Short xx super] because you can option select it (hit confirm).

charge D/B, Short, Short, D/F, D, D/B, B, U/B+Short, any kick

For the last part, instead of hitting another kick button, you can just release Short to activate the super.

Musashi - I have heard from numerous different people across America that it is amazingly hard to simply do a Wall Dive with ST Claw in AE. I have no idea why, and to make it even stranger, the Japanese version doesn't seem to have this problem...


-Nicholai!

Hol Horse 06-07-2005 09:07 PM

ST Claw's issue is ps2 only afaik

Saotome Kaneda 06-08-2005 03:24 PM

Hey NKI, are you leaving ON the 15th, or is your last day of freedom on the 15th?

NKI 06-08-2005 05:56 PM

Leaving at 11:20am on the 15th. :sad::sad::sad:


-Nicholai!

RoTeNdO 06-08-2005 08:21 PM

Yo Saotome, pm me the details on that tourney for this weekend. I have duty on Friday, but I should be good for Sat if you can hook up a ride from Foster for me. How long does it usually last and how many people usually enters?

ArTiCwInD 06-08-2005 09:08 PM

I was thinking you'd still be in Japan till the end of the year NKI. Cuz I was thinking of visiting Japan end yr, and hoping to see someone who speaks English whom I can ask about the arcade scene there.

Guess I'll gotta go running around myself and hopefully no pay 100yen to watch an Ironman combovideo on me in MvC2. :P

Saotome Kaneda 06-08-2005 10:33 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
Leaving at 11:20am on the 15th. :sad::sad::sad:


-Nicholai!

Fux. Oh well, I'll hit you up at Evo then. =/

Rotendo- Check PMs

Toodles 06-09-2005 02:16 AM

Woot, I've landed. Our pad is one station east of Akihabura. Got to spend a little time in Ahkihabura after 9pm, so only got to see a couple of the arcades and stores ( much love for Sega City's basement. At least 10 full head-to-head VF:FT's. ) Oddly enough, Ive seen at least twice as many Melty Blood machines as I have CvS2 machines, and the one place that had 2 CvS2 machines were completely unplayed, unlike the 2 SFA3 machines they had which were always full.
So far, everyone's been very friendly. I haven't felt like a gaijin yet, except for being ignored by the girls handing out flyers. You'd have to be some nasty individual for the mexicans in Vegas to not hand you a flyer, so Im a bit bummed by that.
NKI, currently planning on trying to hit up Shinjuku and More on this Friday or Saturday. Let me know the details of this tournament Rotendo is talking about.

Saotome Kaneda 06-09-2005 05:08 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toodles
Woot, I've landed. Our pad is one station east of Akihabura. Got to spend a little time in Ahkihabura after 9pm, so only got to see a couple of the arcades and stores ( much love for Sega City's basement. At least 10 full head-to-head VF:FT's. ) Oddly enough, Ive seen at least twice as many Melty Blood machines as I have CvS2 machines, and the one place that had 2 CvS2 machines were completely unplayed, unlike the 2 SFA3 machines they had which were always full.
So far, everyone's been very friendly. I haven't felt like a gaijin yet, except for being ignored by the girls handing out flyers. You'd have to be some nasty individual for the mexicans in Vegas to not hand you a flyer, so Im a bit bummed by that.
NKI, currently planning on trying to hit up Shinjuku and More on this Friday or Saturday. Let me know the details of this tournament Rotendo is talking about.

The stuff Rotendo and I are talking about is happening in Okinawa. Unless you want to book a 2 hour flight down here for a simple bi-weekly.... =p I'll give results, but it's still a random bi-weekly. =x

Mike_Z 06-11-2005 03:01 AM

NKI - check PMs.

Mike Z

AdverseSolutions 06-11-2005 09:56 AM

I just wanted to state proudly here that yesterday I handed out flyers for money with a certified shady negro from...wait for it....ETHIOPIA. He was hella getting girl's numbers and being shady. Girls want that snake.

NKI 06-11-2005 12:39 PM

Random juicy ST tidbits that I just learned:

-Fei can cr.Fierce under Ken's Hadouken. :wow:
-Claw's super will out-prioritize N.Ryu's Shoryuken, even on the first frames (during invincibility). He gets grabbed cleanly. :wow:
-Blanka's backwards dash (back+3K) has invincible start-up. :wow:
-About 50% of the time (randomly) meaty normals can not be reversed with a throw. If you time the reversal throw correctly using back+button, you will hear your normal move come out, but you will block the meaty. If you use towards+button, you will get hit.

That last one is really good for me, because I do Chun's meaty st.Fierce (the palm) a lot. Woot.

AdverseSolutions - Congratulations! :tup:


-Nicholai!

dRu84532 06-11-2005 12:41 PM

Good stuff Nick :P

When you come back to STL you should hit me up so we can play some ST!!

Claw guy stuff sounds juicy as hell :D!

Tantin 06-11-2005 02:47 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
-Fei can cr.Fierce under Ken's Hadouken. :wow:


I knew this one! Hooray!

Saotome Kaneda 06-11-2005 03:40 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdverseSolutions
I just wanted to state proudly here that yesterday I handed out flyers for money with a certified shady negro from...wait for it....ETHIOPIA. He was hella getting girl's numbers and being shady. Girls want that snake.

Hahahaha

Outstanding. :tup:

Toodles 06-11-2005 05:07 PM

Im disappointed. I went looking all around the area, and didn't see any of the famous Shady Negroes (TM). Saw a ton nudey spots, but nothing that looked truly shady.
Was at More last night for a couple of hours. Surprised I actually won some games there until about 7pm, then I dont think I won another the rest of the night. That 50Y/game is damn nice. Saw some great competition in everything I played, but I had to bail around 9pm; back was killing me from walking with the backpack all day.

NKI 06-11-2005 06:00 PM

Dru - Claw is the damn cheapest! :confused:

Toodles - I'll show you where to find the Shady Negros. Those Shady, Shady Negros...


-Nicholai!

blazed 06-11-2005 10:08 PM

Yo, yo. NKI what's up with those Japanese vids you were talking about possibly sending me this summer? Or am I going senile? :D

Wishworm 06-11-2005 11:56 PM

I have a question about vega.

When I am knocked down it I always get royally screwed by his wall dive shenanigans.

My mate will either hit in front, cross me up or throw..

I usually play Chun Li.

What is a good way to stop all this BS?

Many thanks.

fubarduck 06-12-2005 01:01 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toodles
Woot, I've landed. Our pad is one station east of Akihabura. Got to spend a little time in Ahkihabura after 9pm, so only got to see a couple of the arcades and stores ( much love for Sega City's basement. At least 10 full head-to-head VF:FT's. ) Oddly enough, Ive seen at least twice as many Melty Blood machines as I have CvS2 machines, and the one place that had 2 CvS2 machines were completely unplayed, unlike the 2 SFA3 machines they had which were always full.
So far, everyone's been very friendly. I haven't felt like a gaijin yet, except for being ignored by the girls handing out flyers. You'd have to be some nasty individual for the mexicans in Vegas to not hand you a flyer, so Im a bit bummed by that.
NKI, currently planning on trying to hit up Shinjuku and More on this Friday or Saturday. Let me know the details of this tournament Rotendo is talking about.


I have lived here for over 2 months now and I still get ignored when people hand out flyers (except when they see me with another Japanese person). If you're by yourself and a foreigner, they just assume you can't read it. It's probably true 95% of the time, anyway =P At first it felt bad, but I'm actually really glad I don't have them in my face all the time like back in the states. The only annoying thing is when you want the free tissues but they ignore you, but I carry arround tissue all the time in my bag anyway =P

Anyway, hope you are having fun, I might go to More sometime this week but it depends on my schedule.

AdverseSolutions 06-12-2005 03:35 AM

Would an SRK mod mind making a Japan regional section? That way we could all network, get keitai numbers, enroll in Shady Negro education courses etc. FYI I'm in Osaka, so is Oriku.

Ja

Toodles 06-12-2005 09:28 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wishworm
I have a question about vega.

When I am knocked down it I always get royally screwed by his wall dive shenanigans.

My mate will either hit in front, cross me up or throw..

I usually play Chun Li.

What is a good way to stop all this BS?

Many thanks.

I seem to remember NKI saying in this thread that jump back fierce beats out all of claws d-u kick shennanigans, but loses out to d-u punch. Once you score a knockdown, d/f roundhouse shennanigans all day long. Time it so it crosses over as meaty as possible, and they wont be able to reversal flipkick, and have to block standing so cant charge for the d-u moves. meaty cross up d/f roundhouse, standing strong to tick into throw, repeat. I die tons to that.

fubarduck 06-12-2005 02:38 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toodles
I seem to remember NKI saying in this thread that jump back fierce beats out all of claws d-u kick shennanigans, but loses out to d-u punch. Once you score a knockdown, d/f roundhouse shennanigans all day long. Time it so it crosses over as meaty as possible, and they wont be able to reversal flipkick, and have to block standing so cant charge for the d-u moves. meaty cross up d/f roundhouse, standing strong to tick into throw, repeat. I die tons to that.


If you're interested, there's a huge 5 on 5 3S tourney today (Sunday) at Club Sega in Shinjuku starting at 15:00. I found out about it earlier today but I had already made other plans, it'll definitely be a good watch if you're into 3S at all.

stream3 06-12-2005 02:43 PM

let us know the results fubar!

Don Calzone 06-12-2005 08:12 PM

Hey NKI! I've got a request. Perhaps you could take a couple of fan-photos of Chikyuu for all of us Chikyuu-fans all around the world.
I really admire the man, he's the greatest of them all, no matter what the tournament statistics says!

CHIKYUU 4 THE WIN!

Toodles 06-12-2005 08:35 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by fubarduck
If you're interested, there's a huge 5 on 5 3S tourney today (Sunday) at Club Sega in Shinjuku starting at 15:00. I found out about it earlier today but I had already made other plans, it'll definitely be a good watch if you're into 3S at all.

ACK! Had I only known. We started out at Yoyogi, went through Shibuya for a while, and eventually went to Shinjuku and More before hopping a train back. I suck bad at 3S but wouldnt mind going and taking some mental Yun notes. Let me know if any others come up.

NKI 06-14-2005 12:11 PM

Sorry about the late replies!

Quote:
Originally Posted by blazed
Yo, yo. NKI what's up with those Japanese vids you were talking about possibly sending me this summer? Or am I going senile? :D
No, you're not going senile. There are two mystery tapes in question. One is the tape from September, when I went to play ozy in XSF, the other is the tape from April, when Justin played about a hundred matches against Mitsu. I'm going to play with ozy again later this month, so I'll probably just ask him for the tape (plus I'm sure we'll record more).

I asked Mitsu to give me a copy of his matches with Justin, so I should have a copy next time I see him (but I dunno when that'll be)...:confused:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wishworm
When I am knocked down it I always get royally screwed by his wall dive shenanigans.
To prevent his wall dive shenanigans in the first place, you can use pretty much any of her jumping moves to stop him. I prefer jump back Fierce, jump back Forward, and jump straight up Roundhouse. If he knows you'll do that, he can either do the fake wall dive (charge down, up+punch), or he can just do a really early wall dive (hit punch as soon as he goes off the wall). If he does fake wall dive, just block it, then you get free walk-up throw (or walk-up super, if you have meter). If he does early wall dive, just make him land on a fireball.

If he actually gets the shenanigans going, the only thing you can safely do is block, so you have to guess which way to block. Sometimes you can see it, but against a good Claw player, you can't see it and react. You can do upkicks to reverse it cleanly, but if he knows that's coming, he'll just let you whiff, then punish...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Don Calzone
Hey NKI! I've got a request. Perhaps you could take a couple of fan-photos of Chikyuu for all of us Chikyuu-fans all around the world.
http://nki.combovideos.com/SBO.05/Matsuya.no.mae.jpg

I have some more on my computer at home (in America)...if I remember, I'll post them up when I go home in August.

Sunday was yet another tourney for ST. I got peaced out first round by a Cammy player. :confused: The winner was a guy named KKY, and you can see him on a lot of Jap tourney DVDs. He plays a pretty good Dhalsim and Blanka(!!). Also, that O.Honda player was there again, regulating fools with st.Jab. I still can't believe that works...

The Japs have crazy, silly nicknames. That O.Honda player's nick is 正月 ("shougatsu"), which means "the new year"; there's another player named あけおめ ("akeome"), which means "Happy New Year"; there's a guy called 農業 ("nougyou"), which means "agriculture" or "farming"...and there's a guy from More who uses the English nickname "Holy Scarlet Balrog"...:confused:


-Nicholai!

dogface 06-14-2005 02:35 PM

Hey NKI,

Yo bud, I would be crazy interested in getting a copy of the XvSF vids of you vs Ozy. I would give you some cash for them and whatnot. Or I'll buy you a beer at EVO in Vegas and you can roll with me and Sabre to the clubs.

To the clubs!

-Vic

NKI 06-15-2005 12:12 AM

dogface - The first step is for me to get a copy for myself. After that, all the matches go online for everyone to see. It's not going to be some super-secret underground thing.


-Nicholai!

danomyte 06-15-2005 01:50 AM

where is the best place to buy mooks for older capcom games in japan?
& music cds?

Ouroborus 06-15-2005 04:34 AM

yo, i was wondering does ST blankas anti air ball have any invincibility by any chance?

stream3 06-15-2005 06:11 AM

who won the big 3s tourney?

fracKtured 06-15-2005 06:16 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by AdverseSolutions
I just wanted to state proudly here that yesterday I handed out flyers for money with a certified shady negro from...wait for it....ETHIOPIA. He was hella getting girl's numbers and being shady. Girls want that snake.


You'd be shady too if your country was ravaged with civil war.

NKI 06-15-2005 01:14 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by danomyte
where is the best place to buy mooks for older capcom games in japan?
& music cds?
I have never seen any mooks/books/DVD guides/etc for older games. You'd probably have to search Yahoo Japan, and even then, you may not find them...

Music CDs you can buy pretty much anywhere, but they usually only have the really popular ones, like Final Fantasy.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ouroborus
yo, i was wondering does ST blankas anti air ball have any invincibility by any chance?
You can use it to trade with meaty attacks, so it must have at least one or two frames, otherwise it wouldn't hit at all.


-Nicholai!

fubarduck 06-15-2005 06:10 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by stream3
who won the big 3s tourney?


No idea, didn't go.

Eishi 06-15-2005 08:54 PM

Quote:
where is the best place to buy mooks for older capcom games in japan? & music cds?


The upcoming Insanity dvd will come with a book containing ST's frame data. Here's a sample:

http://www.tanomi.com/insanity/images/sf_booklet_01.jpg

danomyte 06-15-2005 11:22 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Eishi
The upcoming Insanity dvd will come with a book containing ST's frame data. Here's a sample:

http://www.tanomi.com/insanity/images/sf_booklet_01.jpg

thats weird isnt there already dozen ST mooks out in japan already? did they find some new ish? :confused:

well i know u dont know where to find them nki!(u told me u didnt! :amazed:)
i was asking for game OST,not that jap pop crap...:wasted:

fract-whats up dog I havnt seen u in ages! i thought u were dead! :sad:

Eishi 06-16-2005 12:00 AM

Quote:
thats weird isnt there already dozen ST mooks out in japan already? did they find some new ish?


To my knowledge, none of the books concerning ST that were issued in Japan contained frame datas. It seems like back when ST was out, informations concerning frame datas were'nt as common as they are today.

fracKtured 06-16-2005 04:16 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by danomyte

fract-whats up dog I havnt seen u in ages! i thought u were dead! :sad:


I was, but I got better.

Drunken Master 06-16-2005 04:46 AM

How do I get this DVD, or more importantly THE BOOK???

ST frame-data.. it's about friggin' time. :)

Ouroborus 06-16-2005 04:59 AM

yeah i want to know too. do they have a version for SF2:AE?

jms 06-16-2005 10:31 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Drunken Master
How do I get this DVD, or more importantly THE BOOK???

ST frame-data.. it's about friggin' time. :)


^^^^^^^

Saotome Kaneda 06-16-2005 10:43 AM

Back then, no one cared about frame data...

jms 06-16-2005 03:27 PM

True, it seems like the popularization of frame data is an invention of more recent games, but I don't think that makes it a bad thing for ST.

Saotome Kaneda 06-16-2005 03:42 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by jms
True, it seems like the popularization of frame data is an invention of more recent games, but I don't think that makes it a bad thing for ST.

If anything, it may get the newer, "quick, who's the top tier" generation to get more into this. =/

Hol Horse 06-16-2005 06:05 PM

not only frame data... it shows the hitboxes!

Saotome Kaneda 06-16-2005 10:01 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Hol Horse
not only frame data... it shows the hitboxes!

Oh shit....

felineki 06-16-2005 11:01 PM

Super Turbo hitbox diagrams?! Wow... I'm gonna have to buy that. Or wait for someone to scan it. Or something. Regardless, I need to read it!

jms 06-17-2005 01:20 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Saotome Kaneda
If anything, it may get the newer, "quick, who's the top tier" generation to get more into this. =/


You're probably right :smile: but would they be successful? Even with frame data in their hands, I still don't think new players would be able to read the book and go to town with say, o.sagat, before necessarily spending a lot of time to learn the game. So, I think the learning curve will still be there.

Me, I'd use it to figure out all the deejay links that I don't know yet...

Quote:
Originally Posted by felineki
Super Turbo hitbox diagrams?! Wow... I'm gonna have to buy that. Or wait for someone to scan it. Or something. Regardless, I need to read it!


I'll just have to be content to look at the pictures :( :(

Gen-An 06-17-2005 07:44 AM

It'd be interesting to know the frame data on ST shoryukens, specifically when and where they are invulnerable. I still haven't quite figured out ST DPs; all button strengths seem to trade with jumpins at times, and all of the seem to have throwable frames (try using a SRK as AA vs Balrog/Vega's Izuna Drop; it'll get grabbed quite often).

Golden_Gunman 06-17-2005 08:53 AM

Is that book with the hitboxes availble in Japan now, or is it still due for release?

NKI 06-17-2005 03:04 PM

It comes out at the end of June.


-Nicholai!

Eishi 06-18-2005 01:41 AM

NKI :

Do japanese Guile players use this motion "hold 4, 6, 4+P" to do sonic booms ? I've known this technique for a long time but when I tried to use it I didn't notice any significal improvement, so I got back to the normal motion.

NKI 06-18-2005 02:08 AM

Yeah, they all use that motion. There isn't a huge difference, but it's definitely worth doing.

Tonight at More, Tama played a mirror match against me, Chun vs. Chun. It was going all right; I had him on the final round, and I was up on life. He knocked me down (don't remember how), then went for a cross-up. I don't know what happened, but I think I tried to do reversal upkicks (for whatever reason), and I ate j.Forward, st.Fierce xx super. After that, both literally and metaphorically, I was DONE.......


-Nicholai!

Buktooth 06-18-2005 06:12 AM

there was some japanese site somewhere that had frame data for all the sf2's plus some (slightly strange) ranking charts. dunno where the link went though. i think sabr3 was the one who found the site

the frame data was strictly execution/hitting/recovery numbers though. no advantage/disadvantage numbers or invul frames were listed i think.

Chris F 06-18-2005 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Saotome Kaneda
If anything, it may get the newer, "quick, who's the top tier" generation to get more into this. =/


ST, pretty much everything was safe if blocked, special, normals...

The top tier people you mention are easy to beat too. :bgrin: It's so fun playing them.

SNkNuT 06-18-2005 01:44 PM

Thanks NKI. I'm able to at least buffer some supers now in ST so that's a relief for me.

NKI 06-19-2005 12:34 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buktooth
there was some japanese site somewhere that had frame data for all the sf2's plus some (slightly strange) ranking charts.
Maybe T-Akiba's site?
http://games.t-akiba.net/

Probably the most in-depth SF site in the world, but yeah...the rankings are not quite correct, I think.


-Nicholai!

Issariya 06-19-2005 03:45 AM

takayuki and mitsu still play marvel? any update about jap mvc2 players would be cool =D

Draeger 06-19-2005 05:34 AM

NKI,

Can you tell me the basics of Vega (Claw); pokes to use, BnB combos, match-ups, any basic for a noob like me.

Thanks in advance.

Toodles 06-19-2005 11:00 PM

Where does Takayuki play? I'd like to say hi to that crazy lil fukker.

NKI 06-19-2005 11:40 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Issariya
takayuki and mitsu still play marvel? any update about jap mvc2 players would be cool =D
Yeah, they still play. I actually went to a tourney at Alpha Station today, but because it was a special low-tier-only tourney, I didn't enter. Personally, I don't like low-tier play, so I didn't pay any attention to the tourney at all. I just played top-tier against Iron Man himself (Mitsu) and Mitsutaka (an MSP player) on the other cab. Takayuki wasn't in attendance today.

By the way, Mitsu handed off the tape to me (the one with his matches vs. Justin), so I'll upload them when I get back home to America next month. I have no way to cap here in Japan.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Draeger
Can you tell me the basics of Vega (Claw); pokes to use, BnB combos, match-ups, any basic for a noob like me.
Good pokes: cr.Strong, st.Fierce; use flip kicks for anti-air; if you don't have flip kicks charged, use st.RH
BnB combo: [cr.Forward, cr.Forward, cr.Strong], or [j.RH, cr.Forward, cr.Strong]
General strategy that works against pretty much everyone: poke them a lot with cr.Strong and st.Fierce, and when you get a chance, start the wall dive shenanigans. That should win a lot of matches right there...:confused:

I would recommend watching a lot of Jap Claw matches. This is a good place to start:
http://www.planetdreamcast.com/oroc...eo/capcom.shtml
http://www35.tok2.com/home/nwmovie2/

In case you can't read Japanese, for the second link, for "MSC DVD Vol. 2", matches 2 and 4 feature Claw. All the links for Vol. 1 were broken the last time I checked.

Also, check out http://combovideos.com
Do a search for "X-Mania", and you'll come up with tons and tons of matches.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toodles
Where does Takayuki play? I'd like to say hi to that crazy lil fukker.
He plays at Alpha Station (in Shin Ookubo), and at Saizeria (in Kita Senjuu). You're chances of just randomly running into him are pretty slim, so if you want to set up a date/time to meet him, let me know.


-Nicholai!

felineki 06-20-2005 01:08 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
http://www35.tok2.com/home/nwmovie2/

Ha, the DVD Opening on that site uses music from End of Evangelion. Sweet! :clap:

mannerbot 06-20-2005 07:48 AM

Man, I have to say, I'm gonna be as sad as you will be when you leave Japan. Thanks for all the great reads.

JohnnyEight 06-20-2005 11:17 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
By the way, Mitsu handed off the tape to me (the one with his matches vs. Justin), so I'll upload them when I get back home to America next month. I have no way to cap here in Japan.


Tell us the results :party:

Olan 06-20-2005 11:36 AM

do gief players use a lot of green hands in the average match?.
what about giefs super? landed alot? thanks

NKI 06-20-2005 01:44 PM

mannerbot - Thank you.

JohnnyEight - I don't have the exact total (haven't watched the tape yet). Justin definitely won more than Mitsu, but Mitsu did a respectable job, considering that Justin usually just slaughters everyone he plays (except Sanford).

Olan - Green Hand is rarely used, other than to close the distance after you land an SPD. If you try to predict a fireball but end up whiffing the Green Hand, it has a lot of lag and is pretty easy to punish.

Here in Japan, when peeps play Gief, I only see the FAB about once every three matches or so...


-Nicholai!

Ryu1999 06-21-2005 03:06 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
mannerbot - Thank you.

JohnnyEight - I don't have the exact total (haven't watched the tape yet). Justin definitely won more than Mitsu, but Mitsu did a respectable job, considering that Justin usually just slaughters everyone he plays (except Sanford).

Olan - Green Hand is rarely used, other than to close the distance after you land an SPD. If you try to predict a fireball but end up whiffing the Green Hand, it has a lot of lag and is pretty easy to punish.

Here in Japan, when peeps play Gief, I only see the FAB about once every three matches or so...


-Nicholai!


Question: How does Gief stop Chun-li j. short/mk? I don't know if its because I've been spoiled by a3 Gief's lariat but that move in ST won't beat Chun's main jump ins. I know you already said that this match is heavily in Chun's favor but I'd like to know more of the basics since I only play intermediate players as it is. Thanks!

danomyte 06-21-2005 05:12 AM

what the???
 
is akuma really able to do the RD in ST and how do you do the crossover attacks and stay over?!

i hope the vid works?

CigarBoB 06-21-2005 05:56 AM

Dreamcast only. Sorry

NKI 06-21-2005 12:33 PM

Ryu1999 - Gief's kick lariat will beat all of her jump-ins (or at the very least trade, but then she gets knocked down, so it's in Gief's favor). As she's jumping at you, you should be ducking, then at the very last moment, do kick lariat. However, Chun really should never jump at Gief...ever. She kills him on the ground, and the whole match all he's trying to do is get in on her, so if Chun jumps at Gief, she's basically doing his job for him.

danomyte - As CigarBob said, only the Dreamcast version has Akuma's Raging Demon. I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "crossover attacks and stay over"...do you mean where they do a cross-up, then a backwards move? Or where he just does a backwards move (like Blanka's combo)...?

If you're asking about cross-up+backwards moves, you can read about it here:
http://nki.combovideos.com/NKI-Vol5.Super.Turbo.txt


-Nicholai!

Desk 06-22-2005 01:31 AM

are there any other tosaka ST vids? I have the one above and the one with the mega man music on. any info would be great, those vids rock.

also what's the command to link dhalsims super. On one of those vids it's cancelled from st. forward. I assume it's hcf, neutral st.forward, hcf+punch. but I can't get it to work. also do any sim players xx anything to super in real matches or is it a waste of time?

JohnnyEight 06-22-2005 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by NKI
mannerbot - Thank you.

JohnnyEight - I don't have the exact total (haven't watched the tape yet). Justin definitely won more than Mitsu, but Mitsu did a respectable job, considering that Justin usually just slaughters everyone he plays (except Sanford).



That's what I am curious about. If he won more than 20% there's a good chance he can take anybody but Justin and Sanford themselves in the game. Thanks for answering :)

NKI 06-22-2005 05:39 PM

Desk - The links on Tosaka's site are broken, but here it is anyway, just in case he fixes them...
http://www6.plala.or.jp/tosaka/combokou/x/sf2movie.htm

For st.Forward xx super, you would do HCF, B+Forward kick, HCF+punch, but that is really quite useless. The Sim players here can land Short slide xx super in matches pretty consistently, especially after his cross-up RH drill. The command is:
HCF, B, D/B, D+Short, D/F, F+punch

JohnnyEight - I just watched the tape, and unfortunately he gave me the second of the two tapes, and it basically just has random low-tier matches. There are only 14 real matches (top-tier matches) on this tape that I have, and the score was 8-6 Mitsu, however, they played way, way more top-tier matches than that, and I would (roughly!) estimate Justin won about 75%-80%. As Justin said, Mitsu's biggest weakness is fighting Sentinel (and just fighting in the air in general).


-Nicholai!

fubarduck 06-23-2005 09:56 AM

http://www.arcsy.co.jp/frame-top.html

Guilty Gear Slash loke test this weekend at Akihabara Club Sega! gogogogogogo.

I will be there Fri/Sat fo' sho.

Toodles 06-24-2005 02:00 AM

Ill be there Fri. Look for, well, gaijin. white, 6', 230 (dont ask me for metric) blue nikes, sweating like a madman and say hi.

So, ummm, ya. Has anyone run into a 'Shinobu' by chance?

Renegade 06-25-2005 04:53 AM

NKI- I use Chun in almost every game (3S, A2, A3, MvC1, CvS2, etc) but am just starting to pick her up in ST. I wanna say thanks for all of the info.

My question is regarding the lightning legs.

1)Which strength is most useful?
-I remember someone saying ohnuki does legs at the beginning of the round to stuff fireballs, but I tried that and it didn't work. is it strentgh dependant?

2) How in the world do you get RH legs to come out when you want to?
- Piano method CvS2 legs don't work. It seems i need to hit the button "METAL GEAR SOLID TORTURE CHAMBER" speed in order for it come out. also hitting all of the buttons changes the speeds.

3)which matches are the legs most useful?
-I've seen vids where they are used a lot vs Boxer, Sim, Ryu, And gief. Any others where they are really effective?


Thanks for your help.

Eishi 06-25-2005 11:20 AM

The most useful version of chunli's lightning legs is the Mk version, because the Lk version is too slow and the hk version is too hard to execute to be used in match. Use the double tap technique to do lightning kicks, it's really effective and less tiring than if you do it with only one finger. The main purpose of the lightning kicks is to create some sort of "wall" that will counter your opponent's moves. To know the situations in which you can use them, you'll have to experiment, but keep in mind that you will not have to use this move very often because chunli has a wide variety of effective normal moves that are more handy to use.

NKI 06-27-2005 08:19 PM

Toodles: Nice meeting you.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Renegade
My question is regarding the lightning legs.

1)Which strength is most useful?
Personally I never use anything other than medium legs. Some Japs use RH, but I can't get it 100% of the time, so it's too risky for me.

Quote:
I remember someone saying ohnuki does legs at the beginning of the round to stuff fireballs, but I tried that and it didn't work. is it strentgh dependant?
Hrm...well, against Dhalsim, you can trade with him if he tries a fireball, and against O.Sagat, you can trade with him if he does a low Tiger (high Tigers will hit Chun cleanly), but she doesn't have any way that I know of to completely stuff fireballs at the start of the round using legs...

Quote:
How in the world do you get RH legs to come out when you want to?
I dunno how other people do it, but I alternate tapping with my index and middle finger, back and forth, kind of like a drum roll. But then again, I can get it about 50% of the time or so...

Quote:
which matches are the legs most useful?
I use legs in every single match. At the very least, I use it to build meter (whiffing legs between fireballs). Characters who get owned the worst by legs:

Sim: All of his limbs get beat cleanly except st.RH, and even that will only work if Sim does it from the perfect position (approximately half screen).

Boxer: Practically everything he has (limbs, rushes, Turn Around Punches) all lose cleanly to legs. The only thing he can do is Bull Charge (in which case you stop legs, let him whiff, then counter), or jump (in which case you stop legs and hit him with upkicks).

Dic: Psycho Crusher, Scissor Kicks, and I'm pretty sure all of his normals lose cleanly. All he can do is Head Stomp, in which case you stop legs and air throw him, or he can jump at you, in which case you trade by anti-air fireballing him, then do meaty D/F RH as he gets up.

Gief: Can do absolutely nothing except jump at her.

Legs are pretty useful against Shotos (Ryu more than Ken) because they can't even DP if you do it from the right distance (just barely within your cr.Forward range). Ken can Fierce DP, but that's pretty risky to try.


Unrelated reply to a PM about DeeJay in ST:
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So I was curious....does the low short into Machine Gun Uppercut dizzy every time it connects? And how many times does the Machine Gun Uppercut hit after the shorts?
cr.Short xx MGU will not dizzy all the time, but keep in mind that this is being done after a meaty cross-up, so the opponent has already been hit at least once (maybe two or three times). I'd estimate that it dizzies about 90% of the time when done in that set-up.

The MGU should hit 3 times.

Quote:
And how good would you say the Jap. DeeJay players were?
Well, of course they're the best in the world, but that's not really a surprise to anyone. However, after coming here and seeing them in action, it has really changed my view on DeeJay. I used to think he was bottom of the middle tier, but now I'd say he's at the top of the middle tier. Both Yuu Vega and Tama use DeeJay as a sub-character, and they convinced me that DeeJay is pretty good.


-Nicholai!

Don Calzone 06-27-2005 09:20 PM

I have a question: Tama, who plays Boxer in ST, is he the same Tama that plays the most furious Oro in 3s on the planet?
Also, is More Balrog that you've been writing about, the same as Holy Scarlet Balrog?

Thanks for the best thread on SRK anyway :tup:

NKI 06-27-2005 10:21 PM

I am fairly certain that the Tama I refer to only plays ST. I am not sure about Holy Scarlet Balrog, so I'll ask and post up when I find out.

By the way, to dogface and anyone else who cares about XSF:
I went to Yokohama to play with ozy and Huger one last time before I go home. We played for about 6 hours, and we taped all the matches, however...:confused:

Well, I have always been hella shitty at XSF, but also ozy and Huger were quite rusty. The last time they played was way back in November (the first time I met with them). The first two hours of matches were so bad that we actually taped over them. The remaining four hours were better, but still, it was quite sloppy play. I have both tapes (all four hours that were recorded), and there were some good matches which I'll upload when I get home, but a lot of them are just not worth uploading.

I'll be home at the beginning of August, by the way...


-Nicholai!

CigarBoB 06-28-2005 10:42 AM

How much ST footage were you able to aquire from your trip?

BTW Thank you for taping thoes Ken and Rog matches back in '02. Its beacuse of thoes matches I saw the true power of ken.

danomyte 06-28-2005 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by NKI

I'll be home at the beginning of August, by the way...
-Nicholai!


I hope ur ready! :badboy:

NKI 06-28-2005 11:09 AM

This time around, I didn't actually record any footage myself because I don't have a camcorder with me, but I did acquire some ST tourney DVDs (Star Cup, X-MANIA 4 and 5, random other stuff).


-Nicholai!

Ryu1999 06-28-2005 02:44 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by NKI
This time around, I didn't actually record any footage myself because I don't have a camcorder with me, but I did acquire some ST tourney DVDs (Star Cup, X-MANIA 4 and 5, random other stuff).


-Nicholai!


Another ST question from a grateful scrub: who would you say is Vega's counter character? Other than honda of course because I don't have the patience to sit in the corner and headbutt, nor do I have the skills to headbutt vega when he wall dives right behind me

ruin- 06-28-2005 02:49 PM

i know nothing about st so here it is who is the most technical or tricky character in st?

Chris F 06-29-2005 05:13 AM

Hey guys... NKI or anyone else who can answer this...

In PS2 HSF2AE, how do you pick the Super Turbo versions of the SSF2 characters? I can't find this info anywhere. It's really just O.Ken I want, since he's got the jumping fierce cancel to air hurricane that SUPER Ken doesn't have. I also want to see what they did to the O.Sagat.

I know this so far, hold start as you select "SUPERT", you hear a different sound, and this way you can get the versions of Chun and Honda with the stored super glitch... but the old codes for the O.Characters don't seem to work?? I may be doing something wrong.

Thanks!

Spirited_Away 06-29-2005 06:29 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris F
Hey guys... NKI or anyone else who can answer this...

In PS2 HSF2AE, how do you pick the Super Turbo versions of the SSF2 characters? I can't find this info anywhere. It's really just O.Ken I want, since he's got the jumping fierce cancel to air hurricane that SUPER Ken doesn't have. I also want to see what they did to the O.Sagat.

I know this so far, hold start as you select "SUPERT", you hear a different sound, and this way you can get the versions of Chun and Honda with the stored super glitch... but the old codes for the O.Characters don't seem to work?? I may be doing something wrong.

Thanks!


Just hold start and select "SUPER" mode you'll access the Super X (ST) versions of the old characters.

Shag 06-29-2005 06:35 AM

I'm bored at work so I guess I'll take a stab at answering questions. Forgive me NKI.

Ryu1999: Only other character I'd suggest is Bison(dictator). He out prioritizes Vega(claw) in the air. Bison can pyscho-crush/scissor kick or jump attack out of Vega's wall dive tricks. Vega has problems against Bison's head stomp and scissor kick traps.

Some characters have special advantages against Vega: DeeJay's cr.HP stop most of his pokes, Guile's cr.MK and cr.HK at right distance beats his jump-ins. Chun-Li, Blanka and O.Ken do fairly well against him too.

Ruin: I would sa